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Post by elblumbo on Nov 4, 2024 18:54:38 GMT
"Who says the non prototypical colors sell the best? " Lionel does, but the "Lionel is always wrong" cult does not believe them  . Why would they make stuff up? "there are these things called books." No kidding? I had no idea . The photos in books are just as subject to variation as the photos on the web or the Kodachrome slides taken back in the day. The colors are variable and unreliable in some cases due to the technology, weathering, etc. "BTW, I'll have my correctly spelled YULETIDE badges at the upcoming Allentown ATMA Train Show on Nov 9th/10th at $15/pair for anyone interested." Which is to your credit. But Lionel would probably refund the money of those who were unhappy, as they have almost always done. Stuff happens. I got nothing other than highest grades in literature in high school and college, but sometimes I misspell things or commit other typos and then don't see them until a colleague points them out. Hazards of human beings being involved I guess. Mistakes will be made, and Lionel should always make some sort of fix, whether it's literally fixing the item, exchanging it or refunding it. To my knowledge they have almost always done the latter if the former two are not possible. |
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Post by elblumbo on Nov 4, 2024 18:58:37 GMT
"So why not get it "right" and make everyone happy? It's an easy thing to do." That's exactly the problem. Getting agreement on what is "right." People used to fight duels over such stuff, and friendships today dissolve. It's always really easy, as a guy named Gunrunnerjohn has in his signature, when you envision someone else doing it. . |
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Post by elblumbo on Nov 4, 2024 19:28:37 GMT
"Madockawando feels in his eyes it’s correct to the artwork."
It's not a well known fact but an individual's eyes do see colors in dramatically different ways from other individuals, so it's possibly a reality, not a feeling. Blame the nervous system, the retinas or the bossa nova as you prefer. The extreme examples include various types of color blindness, but there are subtler differences as well.
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Post by harmonyards on Nov 4, 2024 19:43:02 GMT
"Madockawando feels in his eyes it’s correct to the artwork." It's not a well known fact but an individual's eyes do see colors in dramatically different ways from other individuals, so it's possibly a reality, not a feeling. Blame the nervous system, the retinas or the bossa nova as you prefer. The extreme examples include various types of color blindness, but there are subtler differences as well. Blind people can see this thing glow in the dark buddy! …..is that subtle enough? 😂😂😂😂
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Post by elblumbo on Nov 4, 2024 21:06:16 GMT
"Blind people can see this thing glow in the dark buddy! …..is that subtle enough?"
I've got other things with which to concern myself.
If Mr. Muffin is unhappy with sales or returns, I'm sure he will let Lionel know, and his opinion means a great deal more to them than ours, I'm quite sure. So let Mr. Muffin know your thoughts is my suggestion, if this matters to you.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Nov 4, 2024 21:10:10 GMT
Feed back to Mr. M is prudent and advisable whether pro or con.
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Post by mopac on Nov 4, 2024 21:54:00 GMT
Brewster Green  |
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Post by runamuckchuck on Nov 4, 2024 22:10:05 GMT
The color of the engine is more like the spoke wheels than the body of the car.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Nov 4, 2024 22:33:44 GMT
It’s ridiculous that the same people have to subject this forum through not one but TWO threads bashing this locomotive. Really? If you don’t like it, send it back. Mr. Muffin has other buyers on his list waiting for one of these locomotives. It’s a win-win. You get your money back and someone who really wants the locomotive gets to have it. Stop being so dramatic, send it back. Really. The point seems to have been made on both threads. Hearts and minds will not be changed. The color is what it is. Lionel is what it is. Mr. M says he got what he ordered from Lionel. That pretty much sums it up. Send it back to Mr M or to Pat to weather or repaint. I think the Area 51 is a still good idea for us non prototypical types.
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Post by mopac on Nov 4, 2024 22:48:32 GMT
Is Gary Superwarp 1 going to have harmonyard repaint his to brewster green or keep it as is ?
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Post by superwarp1 on Nov 4, 2024 22:54:41 GMT
Is Gary Superwarp 1 going to have harmonyard repaint his to brewster green or keep it as is ? Exact color is to be determined, but it will get repainted.
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Post by harmonyards on Nov 4, 2024 23:18:56 GMT
It’s ridiculous that the same people have to subject this forum through not one but TWO threads bashing this locomotive. Really? If you don’t like it, send it back. Mr. Muffin has other buyers on his list waiting for one of these locomotives. It’s a win-win. You get your money back and someone who really wants the locomotive gets to have it. Stop being so dramatic, send it back. Really. If you don’t like the thread, you don’t have to read it. It’s part of being an American, …..you’re free to not read ….on a serious note, I’m assuming that’s you in uniform?…….if so, thank you for your service!….we may disagree, but that’s one thing that’s concrete and heart felt, ….so thank you!…
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Post by mopac on Nov 5, 2024 1:26:58 GMT
The B&A green Berk. I don't think the thing ever existed. I think this is mythology cranked out by Warren Smith in his book "Berkshire Days on the Boston & Albany", supposedly based on the recollections of a couple old codgers back in the 1930s. There's no photographic or archival evidence that such a thing was ever rostered. K-line did one back in the day, and now Lionel, via Mr. MUFFIN, has fallen into the trap. I don't think anyone will ever definitively figure it out. I will agree, though, accurate or not, that is a ugly shade of green. I think I have seen the green in a diaper. So all we are looking at here is another fantasy engine. Just like all those ugly fantasy Halloween engine that people are willing to spend a lot of money on. Just my opinion.  |
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Post by bobthetrainguy on Nov 5, 2024 1:35:56 GMT
It’s ridiculous that the same people have to subject this forum through not one but TWO threads bashing this locomotive. Really? If you don’t like it, send it back. Mr. Muffin has other buyers on his list waiting for one of these locomotives. It’s a win-win. You get your money back and someone who really wants the locomotive gets to have it. Stop being so dramatic, send it back. Really. It's ridiculous that people complain about other people's posts. |
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Post by david1 on Nov 5, 2024 2:18:24 GMT
No matter if the B&A in green ever existed there are people out there who think it existed. Nobody really knows for sure but in some peoples mind it did exist.
Remember the whole thing about the black bonnet, it was all over a advertisement by Lionel that the color turned out dark making the red in the warBonnet look black in the 50's.
Many years later people kept asking if the black bonnet was real, some swore it was real and others said no! As it turned out it was a printing mistake back in the 50's. But some train guys kept asking for a black bonnet F3. Eventually some train maker decided to make a black bonnet F3 and now many trains items are in black bonnet.
I'm not a black bonnet guy but was there a real black bonnet??
Does it really matter if there was a black bonnet or a Berkshire with a green boiler or any fantasy paint scheme?
The whole point of our hobby is to have fun and have fun your way, want prototypical, fantasy or whatever. Do it the way you want to and have fun doing it.
I have been buying trains for 40+ years and still having fun. Don't let the little things in life and arguing about things that have little meaning!!
Dave
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. Why would they make stuff up?
