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Post by af3020 on Apr 26, 2024 17:50:00 GMT
Healey36, KBN (Karl Bub Nurnberg) started as a toy company in 1851. Their first train offerings were around 1905 and consisted of O gauge and 1 Gauge clockwork trains. Electric trains followed in 1914. In their early production they partnered with both Issmayer and Carette. The end result was the three companies made some similar looking trains and also provided one another with train set components. The set in the pictures I posted is one of these - the engine and tender are definitely KBN manufacturer but the cars are Issmayer.  The company acquired Bing tooling in 1933/34 and for one year produced trains with a dual KB/BW manufacturer logo. Previous owners of Bing objected so the logo reverted to just KB. The Bub factories were destroyed during WWII. |
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Post by healey36 on Apr 29, 2024 19:28:21 GMT
Here's my one Bing clockwork, af3020, seen here in "as-found" condition. The paint scheme is somewhat similar to your KBN, which is what tends to cause me confusion:  I believe this loco was offered here in the U. S. with a similar add-on pilot as your KBN. There seems to have been a lot of overlap in designs between these companies. |
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Post by healey36 on Apr 30, 2024 11:21:35 GMT
Tinplate flatcar with load:  Cobbled together from a Lionel 800-series freight car frame, repro wheels, axles, couplers, and journals, a bit of chain from the Michael's jewelry-making section, and a Lledo Hudson ambulance.  |
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Post by af3020 on Apr 30, 2024 16:26:52 GMT
Healey36, most of the German toy train manufacturers from that period had similar litho treatment for the boiler bands on their sheet metal steam engines. The colors and the position of the bands varied (as, sometimes, did the main color for the boilers) but, as you noted, they do share similarities.
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Post by healey36 on Apr 30, 2024 22:06:51 GMT
Healey36, most of the German toy train manufacturers from that period had similar litho treatment for the boiler bands on their sheet metal steam engines. The colors and the position of the bands varied (as, sometimes, did the main color for the boilers) but, as you noted, they do share similarities. I presume the colors were based on some of the historical schemes used by the companies (or maybe just fanciful, although that seems unlikely given the consistency across manufacturers).
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Post by edlloyd on May 1, 2024 0:11:52 GMT
Recently purchased my second tinplate set. I couldn't help myself. I loved my first set so much. This set is a Lionel Classics Freight set. New old stock. I love it.
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Post by atsda on May 1, 2024 16:25:14 GMT
These were a surprise find in a carton that my brother-in-law found at his house that belonged to his uncle. They are my first tin plates. Alfred Attachments:
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Post by af3020 on May 1, 2024 17:01:18 GMT
Healey36, the thing you have to remember about the European trains of the period is many, if not all, of the real locomotives of that time were essentially "streamlined" in that the manufacturers hid all of the piping and other boiler fittings using a smooth painted outer casing - green being a favorite color. The toys, being true to prototype, just copied what you could see running on the real railroads of the day. Here's a link to a discussion group where some of the posters give additional details concerning this practice. www.quora.com/Why-did-the-old-steam-engines-from-the-USA-look-far-more-elaborate-and-fancy-than-British-or-European-engines |
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Post by healey36 on May 7, 2024 17:23:05 GMT
For those that occasionally look at their Lionel 400E and think "Who ever heard of a 4-4-4":  From Railway Age Gazette, April 1924. |
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Post by JDaddy on May 9, 2024 15:51:38 GMT
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Post by af3020 on May 10, 2024 1:47:57 GMT
A 4-4-4? Shoot, everyone has one of those! A Sakai 2-2-2 on the other hand....   What's even more interesting is the fact that the center drive wheel is mounted just slightly lower that the lead and trailing wheels. The end result is the engine does indeed sit the way you see it and when it rolls down the track it rocks back and forth instead of side to side. |
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Post by healey36 on May 10, 2024 2:55:25 GMT
A 1-A-1 then, in AAR classification. Sharp little locomotive.
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Post by healey36 on May 10, 2024 3:27:36 GMT
April York was a fantastic meet that had a lot of good quality standard gauge for sale at affordable prices this year! I found some great finds. Fabulous haul from York...must have required multiple trips to the car (too much to schlepp around from hall to hall).
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Post by oace on May 10, 2024 12:56:40 GMT
April York was a fantastic meet that had a lot of good quality standard gauge for sale at affordable prices this year! I found some great finds. This doesn't exists in France : or it is poor, or it is costy, or - very often - it is poor and costy, when there's anything else than the usual HO gauge...  OACE
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Post by JDaddy on May 10, 2024 13:04:55 GMT
I hear your pain. Ebay has some real garbage too. you almost have to join a club and speak to individuals who are willing to sell some nice pieces at a good price.
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