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Post by runamuckchuck on Aug 9, 2024 12:45:55 GMT
There's a lot of cost in returning a container. Cost while stored at dock. Cost to load onto ship. Shipping cost and cost at unloading.Cost to truck bak to factory. Now had all these cot again when shipping back to US. If Lionel didn't have a rental onsite at dock, the container was either trucked to their site, or they paid to have a space to unload container at the dock. They lost money on this and probable make it up with next years prices. Be prepared! Agree completely however based upon the grim prediction hitting the 'like button' did not seem appropriate! And to be clear this same scenario could be the case for any model train importer.
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Post by rockymountaineer on Aug 9, 2024 21:56:31 GMT
There's a lot of cost in returning a container. Cost while stored at dock. Cost to load onto ship. Shipping cost and cost at unloading.Cost to truck back to factory. Now had all these cost again when shipping back to US. If Lionel didn't have a rental onsite at dock, the container was either trucked to their site, or they paid to have a space to unload container at the dock. They lost money on this and probable make it up with next years prices. Be prepared! Again... I have zero inside knowledge as to the T's & C's that go into overseas manufacturing and who's on the hook for these costs. However, if something isn't done to spec, then I'd think the manufacturer incurs the costs as long as the importer "refuses" to accept shipment. And as I alluded to earlier, THAT might be the reason ALL models were returned to the factory -- including those not impacted directly by the deco error. The folks who will feel this the most are those who ordered the Halloween model, since it's unlikely these will make a return trip back to the US by October 31st.
OTOH, the tiny A5 steamers are due in September from Lionel/METCA. So their Halloween model should be in the hands of buyers in time for this year's Halloween. Of course, that's assuming there are no "decoration errors" on these gems requiring refusal of acceptance on this end by Lionel. At least let's hope not... because METCA wants to close out pre-order payments by Aug 11th from their buyers. Hmmmmm.... 
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Post by runamuckchuck on Aug 9, 2024 22:06:57 GMT
There's a lot of cost in returning a container. Cost while stored at dock. Cost to load onto ship. Shipping cost and cost at unloading.Cost to truck back to factory. Now had all these cost again when shipping back to US. If Lionel didn't have a rental onsite at dock, the container was either trucked to their site, or they paid to have a space to unload container at the dock. They lost money on this and probable make it up with next years prices. Be prepared! Again... I have zero inside knowledge as to the T's & C's that go into overseas manufacturing and who's on the hook for these costs. However, if something isn't done to spec, then I'd think the manufacturer incurs the costs as long as the importer "refuses" to accept shipment. And as I alluded to earlier, THAT might be the reason ALL models were returned to the factory -- including those not impacted directly by the deco error. The folks who will feel this the most are those who ordered the Halloween model, since it's unlikely these will make a return trip back to the US by October 31st.
OTOH, the tiny A5 steamers are due in September from Lionel/METCA. So their Halloween model should be in the hands of buyers in time for this year's Halloween. Of course, that's assuming there are no "decoration errors" on these gems requiring refusal of acceptance on this end by Lionel. At least let's hope not... because METCA wants to close out pre-order payments by Aug 11th from their buyers. Hmmmmm....
Dave, stop cheering me up. Count me in that Halloween boat and Christmas too for that matter for the F-19 and A5. However I have every confidence that if everything is not up to Stu's standards he will make it right. That is why I ponied up the balances. I have a nominal deposit on the F-19s should that go sideways irrevocably. This year's Halloween layout is looking to be more expansive this year than last year with the elimination of the realistic departure village bound for SpookyTown. I sure hope I can run a train headed by something other than the Hallows Eve starter set engine, but oh well we can only do the possible. Maybe the Halloween Triplex will save the day unless the container fell off the boat.
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Post by josef on Aug 9, 2024 22:33:20 GMT
Again... I have zero inside knowledge as to the T's & C's that go into overseas manufacturing and who's on the hook for these costs. However, if something isn't done to spec, then I'd think the manufacturer incurs the costs as long as the importer "refuses" to accept shipment. And as I alluded to earlier, THAT might be the reason ALL models were returned to the factory -- including those not impacted directly by the deco error. The folks who will feel this the most are those who ordered the Halloween model, since it's unlikely these will make a return trip back to the US by October 31st.
OTOH, the tiny A5 steamers are due in September from Lionel/METCA. So their Halloween model should be in the hands of buyers in time for this year's Halloween. Of course, that's assuming there are no "decoration errors" on these gems requiring refusal of acceptance on this end by Lionel. At least let's hope not... because METCA wants to close out pre-order payments by Aug 11th from their buyers. Hmmmmm....
Maybe the Halloween Triplex will save the day unless the container fell off the boat. OOOOOoooooooops!
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Post by harmonyards on Aug 9, 2024 23:24:22 GMT
All of this could’ve been avoided if someone at the factory sent a picture of a production run model,…..what would that take??….5-10 minutes at best??……….why wait till the container lands on your doorstep from the Far East only to find “surprise!” ……I mean, good god, ….a selfie with the model would suffice!……..honestly, it’s pathetic. Lionel’s art dept. really keeps kicking the can down the road,……no??.
Pat
The Water Level Route
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Post by runamuckchuck on Aug 15, 2024 0:16:38 GMT
Well, what do you know all the F-19s are back on the Lionel Store shipping schedule for 12/19/2024. Too late for Halloween, by a nose for Christmas; but which year?
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Post by JDaddy on Sept 16, 2024 0:52:26 GMT
Tom, that December date on the webstore was short-lived. Now that date has been removed from all the F-19 models. So the mystery continues. I sent a correspondence in to Lionel customer service a few days ago. So hopefully they will shed some light on the situation. I asked specifically what the "decoration error" was... and why the 12/19/2024 date has been removed from the webstore descriptions. So we shall see. Well just confirmed what the decoration was... apparently all the front mounted air pumps on every locomotive were sent over not painted, they were sent in less finish brass on the front of the smoke box. Even the Halloween version. So yes, we may see then in January at the soonest. 
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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 16, 2024 1:07:46 GMT
Well at least the factory was consistent. That should count for something.
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Post by rockymountaineer on Sept 16, 2024 3:36:40 GMT
Sad that it’s taken THIS long to hear something. Unbelievable that Lionel couldn’t even convey this info, when I inquired with them weeks ago. People just don’t know how to communicate effectively these days. But it is what it is.
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Post by MartyE on Sept 16, 2024 12:12:57 GMT
Well I guess the Halloween F19 will be early for next Halloween.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 16, 2024 12:35:19 GMT
Well I guess the Halloween F19 will be early for next Halloween. Looks as though the Warren G. Harding funeral train will have to stand in for the F-19 after all. Actually the WGH train with the black bunting and coffin makes a great Halloween excursion train especially if you pop the cars open and place Halloween costumed people inside. As long as the F-19s are back in the shop for the Halloween version wouldn't it be a hoot to have the typical engineer and firman replaced with Dracula, the wolf man, mummy or Frankenstein figures?
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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 16, 2024 12:37:44 GMT
Maybe the Christmas F-19 will be here in time for Orthodox Christmas. Don't take down that tree, decorations or seasonal layout too soon!
The silver lining may be the stress on my cash flow being eased by a later arrival of the F-19s.
And to note per rockymountaineer's previous observation the METCA tiny but mighty Holiday duo 0-2-0s are more than adequate stand ins with their exemplary paint schemes.
And to digress just a bit let me put a plug in for not only METCA but LCCA holiday items. Whoever is doing the respective artistic work for these two organizations is TOP NOTCH in my book.
From originality, to color palette, to interesting turns on traditional holiday imagery both LCCA and METCA are bringing it big time.
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Post by MartyE on Sept 16, 2024 13:44:43 GMT
The silver lining may be the stress on my cash flow being eased by a later arrival of the F-19s.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Oct 16, 2024 18:27:28 GMT
On October 22, Trainworld is live streaming an All things Lionel Halloween event with Ryan Kunkel and friend. Maybe there will be an F-19 update footnote freely offered or under questioning. Since there is a Halloween F-19 it would be reasonable to ask; but be nice!
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Post by JDaddy on Oct 17, 2024 1:40:46 GMT
It's a nice thought but I am sure it would be like digging up a dead horse. Best to leave it be, for anything said the outcome would be the same... and the end result would be - it still smells bad.  I actually like the delay. My wallet sure appreciated not having to fork out the 1250 at a time that I had to pay the property tax bill! |
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