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Post by Country Joe on Aug 1, 2024 20:47:30 GMT
Add Palm plant here... but it does. If I am a collector and I wish to purchase one of each on this page so I don't miss out on having one of each … aka " buying the complete set of all cars offered" and not missing out...than its not imaginary. ITS THE REAL DEAL. I need to shell out a considerable amount of coin(probably around 4100 dollars) when these cars come out, and with my luck its all at Christmas. That is a big hit to the wallet. Sorry, train sets in a train catalog come in their own set box. Its that simple, how you decide to build your collection is up to you. But back to the OP's post. I would like to see him build his imaginary GG-1 "set" and price it out according to a dealer's early buy program. That's the real price, not the catalog price. I would like to hear him explain what he thinks is a fair, realistic price for his "set" should be. He should have some figure in mid, after all, he did say that he "really, really like the set" (its right there in the thread title). So, lets see what it will all cost from your favorite dealer and if that still too high, let's hear what your fair, realistic price is that you would buy your GG-1 "Set". Bluff called, let's hear it...
You’re also hung up on boxed sets. You seem to have a hard time understanding that not everyone defines sets as you do. I have an Amtrak Genesis and 4 Amfleet cars. I call them my Amtrak set even though the engine and cars were sold separately.
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Post by josef on Aug 1, 2024 21:05:51 GMT
You’re also hung up on boxed sets. You seem to have a hard time understanding that not everyone defines sets as you do. I have an Amtrak Genesis and 4 Amfleet cars. I call them my Amtrak set even though the engine and cars were sold separately. That's how I look at defining a set.
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Post by josef on Aug 1, 2024 21:11:39 GMT
Agree or disagree on the term "set". Lets everyone step back from this post and think about how your replies effected some of the readers. 6 pages is enough to make a comment on the subject.
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Post by madockawando on Aug 1, 2024 22:02:58 GMT
You’re also hung up on boxed sets. You seem to have a hard time understanding that not everyone defines sets as you do. I have an Amtrak Genesis and 4 Amfleet cars. I call them my Amtrak set even though the engine and cars were sold separately. That's how I look at defining a set. I define a set as something that has its own catalog number in a catalog… and it comes in its own box. |
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Post by Country Joe on Aug 1, 2024 23:01:02 GMT
That's how I look at defining a set. I define a set as something that has its own catalog number in a catalog… and it comes in its own box.
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Post by mopac on Aug 1, 2024 23:30:26 GMT
Bill said. In the latest Lionel 2024 #2 catalog is the American Railroads passenger set. Really terrific looking in the blue paint scheme on the GG-1 and 11 passenger cars. The train left NYC heading to Ogden, Utah celebrating the centennial of Americas first transcontinental RR. with John Wayne as one of the invited passengers. 3 locomotives were used with the GG-1 on the first leg out of NYC. I have been trying to find out what this American Railroads passenger set would consist of. Is this IT. How the ‘Golden Spike Centennial Limited’ came to be www.trains.com/ctr/railroad-stories/how-the-golden-spike-centennial-limited-came-to-be/The 1969 Golden Spike Centennial Limited www.themetrains.com/golden-spike-centennial-limited-main.htm |
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Post by runamuckchuck on Aug 1, 2024 23:43:51 GMT
Bill said. In the latest Lionel 2024 #2 catalog is the American Railroads passenger set. Really terrific looking in the blue paint scheme on the GG-1 and 11 passenger cars. The train left NYC heading to Ogden, Utah celebrating the centennial of Americas first transcontinental RR. with John Wayne as one of the invited passengers. 3 locomotives were used with the GG-1 on the first leg out of NYC. I have been trying to find out what this American Railroads passenger set would consist of. Is this IT. How the ‘Golden Spike Centennial Limited’ came to be www.trains.com/ctr/railroad-stories/how-the-golden-spike-centennial-limited-came-to-be/The 1969 Golden Spike Centennial Limited www.themetrains.com/golden-spike-centennial-limited-main.htmLooks like it to me. You may want to view the Ryan & David Lionel Catalog Vol 2 video as Ryan gives a few more details about this train.
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Post by 4dogsinjersey on Aug 2, 2024 1:09:21 GMT
The original poster has “flown with the birds” off this runaway train. Just an observation…
Tom
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Post by madockawando on Aug 2, 2024 2:43:43 GMT
I define a set as something that has its own catalog number in a catalog… and it comes in its own box.  ? Psst… it doesn’t have a catalog number and it doesn’t have its own set box, it’s not a set, and no one pays full catalog price, so why mention it? |
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Post by Country Joe on Aug 2, 2024 3:16:55 GMT
Why don’t you apologize to Bill for chastising him for things he didn’t say? ? Psst… it doesn’t have a catalog number and it doesn’t have its own set box, it’s not a set, and no one pays full catalog price, so why mention it?
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Post by bobthetrainguy on Aug 2, 2024 6:00:20 GMT
Fair. But madockwando was trying to use the fact that, Lionel sells everything it makes, to say that their pricing is correct. I see no way to make that mental leap. How can you imply that their pricing is not correct? They sell out their BTO items. Dealers will often order a few extra but these sell out as well. It's not hard to "sell out" of something when the items have been ordered. Even if Lionel sold out of everything on every catalog it's not objective proof their price is correct. They could have priced it 10% lower and got a 20% increase in orders. There's no way to know. But that's besides the point because they *don't sell out* which indicates their prices are scaring away buyers. Mr. Muffins and others are consistently having blowouts on items that are around three years old because they just sat on the shelf, unsold. That tells me, the price was too high to start. MTH and Atlas are definitely lower on average especially for steam locomotives and rolling stock. I don't think they have to sell me trains below cost. But I guarantee Lionel could charge half what they do and they'd still make money. The reason is that volume would go up. Instead of buying one engine, I'd by two, and a lot of people who would never consider buying trains at these high prices would if they were lower. |
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Post by madockawando on Aug 2, 2024 9:53:38 GMT
How can you imply that their pricing is not correct? They sell out their BTO items. Dealers will often order a few extra but these sell out as well. It's not hard to "sell out" of something when the items have been ordered. Even if Lionel sold out of everything on every catalog it's not objective proof their price is correct. They could have priced it 10% lower and got a 20% increase in orders. There's no way to know. But that's besides the point because they *don't sell out* which indicates their prices are scaring away buyers. Mr. Muffins and others are consistently having blowouts on items that are around three years old because they just sat on the shelf, unsold. That tells me, the price was too high to start. MTH and Atlas are definitely lower on average especially for steam locomotives and rolling stock. I don't think they have to sell me trains below cost. But I guarantee Lionel could charge half what they do and they'd still make money. The reason is that volume would go up. Instead of buying one engine, I'd by two, and a lot of people who would never consider buying trains at these high prices would if they were lower. MTH scale diesel locomotives are on average $50 less that Lionel's scale diesel locomotives. Comparing list MTH $599 to Lionel $649. So what? I have both Lionel and MTH scale locomotives and that small price difference was a non-factor in my purchase decision. In either case, I buy the locomotive regardless of the brand because I like the road name. I bet most people do the same. I buy rolling stock from all manufactures rolling stock and the prices are close across the board. But this one I have to call you on: How can you say "guarantee Lionel could charge half what they do and they'd still make money." What facts do you base that on? Do you have privileged information on Lionel's manufacturing costs? Neither Atlas or MTH are selling their trains at half the price that Lionel is asking. Why aren't Atlas and MTH following your pricing strategy and sell their trains at half the price of Lionel's trains? Think of the money they could be making! Or... maybe they don't because none of them can sell them for so low and make any profit?
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Post by josef on Aug 2, 2024 11:27:57 GMT
Okay! This thread has gone far enough. Almost everyone got their 2 cents in, some got a dime in. Some of these post have turned into bickering and starting to sound like a school yard kids shouting match.
Let's move on as adults and accept whats been said. Enough is enough on this back and forth.
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