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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 6, 2023 19:46:15 GMT
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Post by trainman9 on Sept 7, 2023 11:28:02 GMT
Will that Boro system support any weight if it was used on a layout where you might need to climb onto it for any reason. Also how does it compare to the cost of Mianne Benchwork.
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Post by harborbelt70 on Sept 7, 2023 11:46:09 GMT
Personally I think you are very lucky to have that space and a tabletop arrangement rather than floor level carpet running! I don't know if you are contemplating putting panels on the tables to on which to mount the track and scenic accessories but simple wiring, that you don't need to access, can be placed under that. I had this arrangement when I had a tabletop layout and it worked for my limited purposes.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 7, 2023 13:13:43 GMT
Will that Boro system support any weight if it was used on a layout where you might need to climb onto it for any reason. Also how does it compare to the cost of Mianne Benchwork. Bora rates the capacity of each table at 2,000 Lbs. I have the 36" high version so a short step ladder would be needed. I am building the layout in 6 tables at a time sections since there is no underneath access. The accessory that I was waiting for from Bora will arrive today and I will show how that changes things up gap wise between the tables. As for the Mianne system I do not know about the cost comparison as the criteria for this seasonal layout was to light weight compact storage when the layout was broken down. IMO that pretty much eliminated dimensional lumber and sheet goods (4X8 plywood, Homasote,insulation boards) for the tops. The Bora gives me that feature with the collapsable stands and folding tops. I will show that aspect in future photos. I bought all my Bora on Amazon and just watched for sales as I started to buy this system about 9 months ago I could be patient. Once you get the hang of it (1 table) it takes less than 5 minutes to set up a 2X4 table.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 7, 2023 13:39:25 GMT
Personally I think you are very lucky to have that space and a tabletop arrangement rather than floor level carpet running! I don't know if you are contemplating putting panels on the tables to on which to mount the track and scenic accessories but simple wiring, that you don't need to access, can be placed under that. I had this arrangement when I had a tabletop layout and it worked for my limited purposes. Being 72 at the time, my thrown together layout last year was on the floor and I said never again! That and I believe it throws the perspective off quite a bit. The Bora tables I selected are 36" tall. There is a 30" version but that seemed a bit too short to me. While the Bora accessory that I decided to buy will reduce the majority of table gaps, there will still be 2-3" wide gaps that I cannot eliminate. I will use these gaps to run wires under the table. Since I am building the layout in sections I anticipate being able to string the wires through the table supports to a point more accessible on the perimeter of the layout. As for topping the tables, that is a work in progress as I would need 4X8 sheets which defeat the purpose for compact storage and ease of handling. I believe I can manage the gaps track wise. Initially I plan to use Ikea carpet pads which are anti skid but do not transfer any sticky residue to whatever they come in contact with. This will cover the entire layout surface to dampen track noise. It should also provide some resistance to lateral track movement. The pad is thin and cheap. Buildings, foliage. streets/parking lots ground cover will obscure the pad sufficiently. I want to avoid a lot of cutting and splicing the pad material to be only under the tracks. If this was a permanent layout I would approach this aspect of the layout differently. I am hoping to make significant progress this weekend.
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Post by atsda on Sept 8, 2023 2:20:46 GMT
runamuckchuck, That is interesting about using the thin carpet pads. Have you used it before? If not, let us know how it works out. Alfred
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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 8, 2023 11:55:54 GMT
runamuckchuck, That is interesting about using the thin carpet pads. Have you used it before? If not, let us know how it works out. Alfred Alfred, I got the idea from Sean of Sean's Trains on one of his videos. If you haven't watched any of his videos, you should check him out as they are instructive not just hawking product. Regardless he trimmed the pad to the width of the track which I plan not to do only because of the seasonal nature of my layout.
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Post by trainman9 on Sept 8, 2023 12:09:15 GMT
My layout is permanent and I did use Mianne Benchwork this time. I’ve built numerous layouts in the past and until now tried to do too much in a small space. I learned my lesson after so many tries and greatly downsized and my new layout worked out very well.
My layout is 5x10 and 36 inches high. The top is homosote over birch vernier plywood topped with indoor outdoor carpet and is on coasters so it can be moved away from the wall to make it easier to work on. I also used the Mianne Transformer table to hold my ZWL, Legacy System and CAB1L System. I used a “Jones Plug” wiring system so I could easily disconnect the wiring if I needed to move the layout. This came in handy recently when we needed to move everything when we had a French drain installed in our crawl space.
It’s an amusement park themed layout with five Lemax amusement rides and two loops of Ross track. I don’t have nor do I have any need for switches. All I need now are some figures that would work with the Lemax ones for the midway.
The Mianne benchwork including the transformer cart was just under $700. The two pieces of birch plywood and homosote came to about $100 and the carpet was about $20. Everything went together in about a week including all the wiring. The best thing I did was using the “Jones Plug” to make the electrical connection.
I’ll post some photos in another post.
So, if anyone knows where I could get some figures that would work I be very grateful.
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Post by keithb on Sept 9, 2023 14:22:18 GMT
Looking good so far, keep us posted.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 13, 2023 21:22:46 GMT
Quick update. The vagaries of a seasonal layout for multi holidays!
I was vexed by the lack of grass mats that looked like late Fall i.e. mostly brownish. Plus the expense to cover the entire layout 12X12 caused me to consider alternatives. I decided to first cover the BORA table tops with 'tan' floor protective paper (sort of like craft paper thickness) from Home Depot to disguise the table top gaps and then cover that with tight weave natural burlap fabric from Joanns. Not exactly typical but inexpensive.
I am waiting for highway and parking lot pavement to arrive and then I hope to leap forward with the placement of the excursion departure point village/small town. Unlike my original intention I may cut the Ikea thin carpet pad to dampen the Fastrack noise.
Photos to follow shortly.
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Post by david1 on Sept 14, 2023 2:50:18 GMT
When I moved from the house I used mianne bench work. It was originally 16x9 but in my new apartment I had to cut it down to 13x5 and 48" high. I covered it with 2" pink foam. Works great and its sound deadening. I'm the only person in the over 65 building that has trains and my Christmas themed layout loaded with dept56 buildings which btw is up all year round is very popular with some of the residents and their grandchildren. Plus I can run trains anytime I wish.
Dave
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Post by harborbelt70 on Sept 14, 2023 10:49:51 GMT
My layout is permanent and I did use Mianne Benchwork this time. I’ve built numerous layouts in the past and until now tried to do too much in a small space. I learned my lesson after so many tries and greatly downsized and my new layout worked out very well. My layout is 5x10 and 36 inches high. The top is homosote over birch vernier plywood topped with indoor outdoor carpet and is on coasters so it can be moved away from the wall to make it easier to work on. I also used the Mianne Transformer table to hold my ZWL, Legacy System and CAB1L System. I used a “Jones Plug” wiring system so I could easily disconnect the wiring if I needed to move the layout. This came in handy recently when we needed to move everything when we had a French drain installed in our crawl space. It’s an amusement park themed layout with five Lemax amusement rides and two loops of Ross track. I don’t have nor do I have any need for switches. All I need now are some figures that would work with the Lemax ones for the midway. The Mianne benchwork including the transformer cart was just under $700. The two pieces of birch plywood and homosote came to about $100 and the carpet was about $20. Everything went together in about a week including all the wiring. The best thing I did was using the “Jones Plug” to make the electrical connection. I’ll post some photos in another post. So, if anyone knows where I could get some figures that would work I be very grateful. Well, I would be very interested to see this and in particular how you worked an amusement park into that space.
There are a couple of other threads on OGF about figures, including one from PTC Brian, and I know Scenic Express do a few in O scale that are carnival type people. The Lemax structures are a revelation because I never looked at them before Emile the BCC posted a movie including them from the last York meet.
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Post by trainman9 on Sept 14, 2023 16:01:58 GMT
I’ll take some new photos and post them in a separate posting. As far as figures go, O gauge is too small and G gauge is too large I need ones that match up with the figures Lemax uses on the amusements. Ideally I’d like several of small children with one or more parents holding their hands and walking. Some just standing etc.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 17, 2023 16:07:34 GMT
They say slow and steady wins the race which I hope is true because the more realistic portion of the layout has proven to be a real monkey puzzle at least for me. These pictures are a mock up/draft if you will of how the town will be arranged. The buildings are still in their containers until the the final version. You are looking at the front edge of layout/town. I took photos of to the side to avoid the glare of the work lights. In the foreground is the track with the train station. To the left of the station is a tavern/pub for the passengers only (hopefully). Behind that we have the Main Street retail strip. The idea is to have a Main Street (a section is visible which I laid out for spacing) with curbing and a Super Streets run for a trolly on the curb side loop around the town in some fashion. There is one intersection in town where you see the larger gaps between the buildings. Parking will be behind the buildings accessible from the cross street. All the buildings are set upon black plastic corrugated board from Michaels the seams of which will be black taped to hide. I figured it was easier to put landscaping on top rather than cut around. I am using 096 curves to accommodate larger engines and 21" passenger cars which leaves a fairly large empty area. To the left of the depot I plan to place a USPS office. To the right I will likely place a water tower for the steam locos or maybe the Woodland Scenics gas station. I know it is not much progress but hopefully now that I have the town placement all but finalized, the final execution can begin and move on to the next stage.
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Post by Country Joe on Sept 18, 2023 12:59:03 GMT
Looks great, Chuck. I like the idea of using foam core as your base layer. The Woodland Scenics buildings are excellent.
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