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Post by VietnamVet1967 on Sept 8, 2023 19:21:26 GMT
Thanks Walt, facts do matter!! Dave That's right.......................I only deal with facts !!
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Post by Bill on Sept 14, 2023 14:46:27 GMT
Perhaps we should name the first domed city. . . "Toldyaso" How hot does it have to get, how big do the storms have to get, before we believe. It's great to know there's no problem. Thanks for letting me know. So . . . Any ev's in 1:43 available. At least we can change the layout of the future. Domed city? They can’t get domed stadiums to work right!
Yes, it’s been hot. Sometimes. I’m guessing that’s because it’s summertime! When it’s 90 degrees in Churchill, Manitoba in January it might make me go, hmmmmm. At the Padres - Giants ballgame this afternoon it was 74 degrees and breezy.
Yes there is a problem. It’s the media’s alarmist reporting. Nature always replenishes itself. There were storms, heat and cold around the world before 1980, before the alarmists were born.
Tomorrow’s Padres - Phillies first pitch forecast, 73 degrees and mostly sunny!
OK, I almost didn't answer, but I can't help myself. 90 in Churchill? Hmmm, is this (93) close enough? 1400 dead, cost $8.9 BILLION, from just this one incident. Highest in over a thousand years and now perhaps a regular occurrence. Time for some of us to say hmmmm. From WikiPedia
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Post by Traindiesel! on Sept 14, 2023 18:15:48 GMT
Domed city? They can’t get domed stadiums to work right!
Yes, it’s been hot. Sometimes. I’m guessing that’s because it’s summertime! When it’s 90 degrees in Churchill, Manitoba in January it might make me go, hmmmmm. At the Padres - Giants ballgame this afternoon it was 74 degrees and breezy.
Yes there is a problem. It’s the media’s alarmist reporting. Nature always replenishes itself. There were storms, heat and cold around the world before 1980, before the alarmists were born.
Tomorrow’s Padres - Phillies first pitch forecast, 73 degrees and mostly sunny!
OK, I almost didn't answer, but I can't help myself. 90 in Churchill? Hmmm, is this (93) close enough? 1400 dead, cost $8.9 BILLION, from just this one incident. Highest in over a thousand years and now perhaps a regular occurrence. Time for some of us to say hmmmm. From WikiPedia Nope, not yet. It says Western Canada and Oregon, in June and July. Middle of the summer and too far south That’s not Churchill in January.
Meanwhile, it’s a sunny 65 degrees here in Southern California today!
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Post by Bill on Sept 14, 2023 22:28:21 GMT
LOL
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Post by dlagrua on Sept 14, 2023 22:59:41 GMT
All the people that I know who purchased an electric vehicle now regret it. If you drive with all the accessories on with a couple of passengers, they can get 150 miles per charge best. Tow a trailer with one and you'll get half that. Those who have tried long distance trips have gotten stuck from not being able to find a charging station and a fast charge to capacity takes at least two hours.If you must wait in line that could run to 4 hours or more. I can fill my gas tank in 5 minutes or less. The greenies that push this EV propaganda are against mining. They have no idea where lithium comes from and know little that the power grid today is not big enough to support many more electric vehicles. You get into an accident with an electric and you'll probably be toast. From my perspective electric cars are not useful.
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Post by steveoncattailcreek on Sept 15, 2023 1:01:59 GMT
All the people that I know who purchased an electric vehicle now regret it. All I can say to that is, you must have a very limited group of people you know. To remedy that in part, permit me to say hi, and respond to a few points in your torrent of misdirection. First, I bought a 2017 Chevy Bolt EV about 5-6 years ago, and while, as with all my vehicles, there are things about it I would have different, none of that has made me regret the purchase for a minute. Three seasons a year, it reliably gets *well* in excess of 200 miles per charge (currently about 250), and even in the heart of winter here in the mid-Atlantic, I can count on well over 150 miles of range, regardless of the load. That charge costs me, at home, about $6 total, or between 2 and 3 cents per mile, or about a third what an equivalent ICE costs in fuel to operate (and that assumes I buy it from the grid, rather than tap the excess I generate on my roof for free about half the year). No oil changes, no tuneups, so maintenance has been limited to regular wear items like tire rotation and replacement. Second, you buy a vehicle to match your intended use. Complaining that an econobox can't handle a two-ton load, or that a Hummer doesn't get 50 MPG, just doesn't make sense, since neither is built to meet that task. With current limitations on charging -- relative paucity of charging stations, and length of charging time needed -- current EVs are not suitable for long-distance trips, period, full stop, and you'll look long and hard for any EV advocate who will try to convince you otherwise. You *can* manage long trips with a little preparation and patience, but it's not something *anyone* would advise you to do on a regular basis with an EV (if only because it would require regular use of fast chargers, which will eventually negatively impact your battery life). Third, fast charging on the road is never recommended "to capacity", because instead you can get a sixty to eighty percent charge in 15 to 30 minutes, while that last tranche of charging *can* extend your charging time well beyond an hour. Yes, that requires you to stop and recharge a bit more often, but your overall trip time will be less (and also you do less long-term damage to your battery). Again, don't buy an EV if you're a traveling salesman on the road constantly, but you *can* in a pinch make a long trip with minimum disruption. A better strategy might be to rent an ICE for that annual vacation trip, and leave the EV at home (or use an ICE second vehicle, like my wife's Altima). The bottom line is that IMHO everyone should buy the vehicle that suits their needs. In my case, my relatively small and nondescript fastback/crossover is a blast to drive (I can out-accelerate any Corvette made up to 1963 -- 0-60 in 6.5 seconds -- with absolutely flat handling even on stock tires), and is cheaper to operate and was competitive price-wise with similar ICE vehicles. It hasn't burst into flames or destroyed the environment yet (at least, any worse than its ICE equivalents routinely do), so it was the right choice for us. All the rest of the "EV parade of horribles" trotted out by EV alarmists are IMHO just exaggerations of the usual growing pains when *any* new technology is rolled out, and if the past is any guide, ingenuity and further investment will smooth out the inevitable wrinkles in due time. Settle down, folks -- ISTM there are too many *real* problems out there to waste time and energy (see what I did there? ) on EV phobia. Now, you can say you know at least *one* person who likes his EV! You're welcome . . .
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Post by david1 on Sept 15, 2023 2:14:41 GMT
I am not a proponent of electric vehicles yet! The infrastructure is not there yet. Its just not the charging stations the vehicles are not there yet also. More safety has to Be built into them. Although right now I can't drive because of several issues but I have been looking at cars online and in person when able. so far I am not impressed. one issue I have is the dealers I have talked to seem to know very little about the products they are selling. The answers I'm getting is not very helpful in making a decision. For now if I had to buy a car tomorrow, it would be a non electric car. Another question is where am I going to charge the car? The station is about 1/2 to 3/4 mile away. Beings I use a cane and cannot walk that distance two times there and back to pick it up! There is no plans to add any other stations for at least two years according to county commissioners.
Dave
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Post by steveoncattailcreek on Sept 15, 2023 2:34:19 GMT
I am not a proponent of electric vehicles yet! The infrastructure is not there yet. Its just not the charging stations the vehicles are not there yet also. More safety has to Be built into them. Although right now I can't drive because of several issues but I have been looking at cars online and in person when able. so far I am not impressed. one issue I have is the dealers I have talked to seem to know very little about the products they are selling. The answers I'm getting is not very helpful in making a decision. For now if I had to buy a car tomorrow, it would be a non electric car. Another question is where am I going to charge the car? The station is about 1/2 to 3/4 mile away. Beings I use a cane and cannot walk that distance two times there and back to pick it up! There is no plans to add any other stations for at least two years according to county commissioners. Dave, I'd say that, if you are not able to put in or have access to a Level 2 (220VAC) charger at or near your home, it's doubtful you are a good candidate for an EV. Public chargers, with rare exceptions, either charge *much* more for electricity than home charging would cost, are more likely to damage your battery over the long term (if they are DC fast charge), or both. Some far-thinking businesses and governments have installed basically free Level 2 chargers (a great incentive for EV owners to hang out at their location!), but IME the vast majority of networked commercial chargers charge at a rate per KWh that roughly negates the fuel cost advantage of EVs. So, bottom line, unless you can install your own charger (or perhaps convince your condo or HOA to install a communal charger), IMHO you're not an ideal candidate to go EV. Sorry . . . but stay tuned!
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Post by david1 on Sept 15, 2023 6:05:29 GMT
Your probably right, I live in a over 65 apartment and I don't see them or the area ready to install chargers anytime soon. What I'm most disappointed in are the dealers who know next to nothing and that's both domestic and foreign brands. I just find that amazing.
Dave
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Post by Adam on Sept 15, 2023 11:20:31 GMT
I do think electric cars will eventually get to a point where they make sense for more people. The battery technology is improving (more capacity, lighter weight, faster charge, etc.). AS of now, the economics of it for me isn't quite there. The cost of electricity in MA is high and the savings over gasoline is negligible and sometimes gas is cheaper. I would have to get solar panels to make it worthwhile, but then that is yet another major expense (equal to the price of the car!) that I won't recoup for years.
Also, the cost of electric cars is higher. I do know that maintenance costs are far lower so that will eventually be recouped, but that will take years. New gasoline cars often come with free maintenance for some years.
It is a tough decision to make. I do like the electric truck options out there (Ford F150 Lightning, Rivian), but we want to get an RV and the range goes waaaay down when you are towing something, so probably not the best use case for electric at the moment. And since my next car will be a truck, it's unlikely I will go electric.
Electric cars are the future, I believe, but there are some refinements needed and the manufacturers are working on them.
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Post by armyranger on Sept 15, 2023 13:54:45 GMT
I'll never give up my gas guzzling '70 Chevelle SS 396. 4 speed. 105 MPH/12.8 ET Qrt mile. Street driven every day in the summer. Pd $3100 for it on showroom floor. hahaha Rob
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Post by josef on Sept 15, 2023 14:33:49 GMT
Something to think about. Also some insurance companies charge more to insure an EV then a gas or diesel vehicle. Then there are States looking at charging a mileage rate or higher cost for license plate because of loss of road tax, etc. from EVs owners.
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Post by Country Joe on Sept 15, 2023 17:17:22 GMT
When automobiles were first introduced they were expensive, maintenance intensive, and not very reliable. Most people kept their horses. As time went on the price of cars dropped, they became more reliable and required less maintenance. They became practical and most people gave up horses in favor of autos. It didn't happen quickly but it happened. I think EVs will continue to improve and may eventually replace petroleum powered vehicles for most and possibly all Americans.
One problem not considered by most people or the government is how important petroleum is in the manufacturing of many everyday products. Another problem that is occasionally mentioned is how will we produce enough electric when everyone had not only electric vehicles but electric heat, stoves, ovens and all the other things powered by petroleum products.
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Post by steveoncattailcreek on Sept 15, 2023 18:02:21 GMT
One problem not considered by most people or the government is how important petroleum is in the manufacturing of many everyday products. Another problem that is occasionally mentioned is how will we produce enough electric when everyone had not only electric vehicles but electric heat, stoves, ovens and all the other things powered by petroleum products. I mostly agree with your comments, but I think the use of petroleum as feedstock for many industrial processes is rather thoroughly understood by those in charge (and incidentally is IMHO a strong argument not to just *burn up* so much of a scarce resource for energy, when there are available alternatives!). Of course, the plastics and other chemicals that result have their own issues, but that's a rant for another day! As to having enough capacity to meet the (potentially expanding) demand for electric power, frankly IMHO it's more a matter of political will than anything requiring huge breakthroughs or "hail Mary" engineering challenges. Decentralizing generation (like rooftop solar) will help, as will developing and installing methods of temporarily storing surplus energy from renewable sources (pumping water upstream into hydro facilities or heating or pressurizing depleted wells for later generation use, for instance), and improving the grid to allow efficient distribution from diverse sources across a wider geographic area. A challenge, yes, but mostly feasible with known technology, requiring only the will to make the necessary investments as the demand gradually ramps up.
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Post by Traindiesel! on Sept 15, 2023 20:56:32 GMT
Ah, so with the current political climate we won’t be seeing any proliferation in our lifetime.
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