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Post by oace on Feb 27, 2024 9:52:09 GMT
Do you have a “Temporary Tinplate” layout? Emile Yes thebigcrabcake !  Mine will also be a temporary and variable layout, indoors or oudoors - if the weather allows it... I am waiting for my set of tracks from Menards (USA) :  And unlike your nice Ltd. Ed. Tinplate M.T.H. train set  , I only have one locomotive... And that's all for the moment !   Oh, OK : I still have my DIY Tinplate Train Supply that I built 30 years ago  - still working fine - and which I used to drive my Lionel 2065 "Hudson" and 221 "Torpedo", plus their matching whistling tenders...  So a new adventure starts...  OACE
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Post by thebigcrabcake on Mar 1, 2024 3:20:30 GMT
That’s going to be a big layout. Can’t wait to see it.
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Post by oace on Mar 2, 2024 10:05:54 GMT
That’s going to be a big layout. Can’t wait to see it. Thanks thebigcrabcake ! It will depend largely if it is indoors or outdoors situation, to be honest... But two things are sure : temporary and variable in size ! I went for very large curves (072 and 096) because I think that it is nicer to see a convoy run on it, and possibly insure better stability, but a demi-turn or a complete circle is rather wide, at 2.44m diameter for the 096...  Oh, and some Lionel stuff is on the target now... T
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Post by oace on Mar 13, 2024 22:19:22 GMT
Finally... The MENARDS O gauge Tinplate tracks were delivered today :  Probably enough to cover any temporary layout need, outdoors or indoors !  OACE |
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Post by oace on Mar 24, 2024 6:55:50 GMT
Hey Guys with Temporary Tinplate Layouts ! How do you power your tracks reliably ? What do you use ? I went the DIY way, having no adequate equipment for that...  What about you ? OACE |
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Post by oace on Apr 6, 2024 22:31:29 GMT
That’s going to be a big layout. Can’t wait to see it. Finally here's one - oh, not so big, indoors, temporary of course, that lasted the afternoon : the "Bedroom County" layout  Four trains could ran on it :  Well... The cool IVES #1694 still need some trucks adjustment, as shown below : OACE
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Post by oace on Jun 22, 2024 18:00:23 GMT
Hey "Temporary Tinplate" Guys - like me ! I guess that you all "discovered" this tip way before me - in order to avoid fortuitous disassembly of your layout with convoys passing-by... I mean this :   I will test that solution : elastic bracelets for hair, or elastic bracelets for office use... Of the suitable dimension :  It seems promising : enough tension to tighten the junction, economical, quite easy to implement... Wait and See ! |
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Post by oace on Jun 30, 2024 20:01:14 GMT
Today afternoon, I could perform a test of a Temporary Garden Layout... With some surprises ! IVES by Williams #1694 plus 3 matching cars : Lady Patricia (Bassett-Lowke 4-6-2)... Alone : Blink Bonny (ACE Trains 4-6-2)... Alone too : "Why alone ?" will you argue... "Don't you have some matching cars to show of with ?"  Well yes, I have :   But here lies the surprise : nor Lady Patricia nor Blink Bonny could haul their respective trains because... Of Slipping on the natural track ramps that are at least 5-6% ! It's an estimation of the steepness... Maybe it's more ? - see below on the 1st picture, at right lowest point, at left highest point :  I must confess that I was not prepared  for this disappointment  ... And there's nothing I can do except choosing another location, which will be obviously smaller, in order to be flat enough to avoid slipping... Yes, those English steam locomotive do not have the Lionel MagneTraction feature !  ***** Unless if some of you more experimented than me have an idea for a "slipping cure" ? ***** A good new, that said : the securing of the track joints by elastic bracelets worked mighty-fine ! Instant-easy installation and removal, plus mega-cheap...  To sum up : nothing wrong, all is fine... If only all the locomotives could be able to haul their respective trains !  Oh, that's just a detail...  OACE |
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Post by oace on Jul 3, 2024 12:15:47 GMT
I measured the slope in % of the ramps :  Would a MagneTraction-fitted locomotive be able to climb such ramps ? OACE |
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Post by healey36 on Jul 3, 2024 13:01:55 GMT
A 2% grade could easily be accommodated by Magnetraction (in my experience). Ascending a 6.5% grade might be tougher, but I still think do-able. Magnetraction was designed to enable a loco to easily climb the grade created by Lionel's trestle sets, and that was likely more than 6.5%.
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Post by oace on Jul 3, 2024 15:36:04 GMT
A 2% grade could easily be accommodated by Magnetraction (in my experience). Ascending a 6.5% grade might be tougher, but I still think do-able. Magnetraction was designed to enable a loco to easily climb the grade created by Lionel's trestle sets, and that was likely more than 6.5%. Thanks healey36 ! I think that one of these days, I'll buy a 2046 MagneTraction engine... Surprisingly, the "waddling" IVES by Williams #1694 was able 3-cars-loaded to reach the 4.5% ramp, while none of my "steady" UK machines could. OACE
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Post by mrmeep on Aug 10, 2024 5:08:23 GMT
Magne-Traction will climb some very steep grades, BUT...
make sure that your newer tinplate/tubular track is STEEL
and NOT aluminum or another alloy. Most new tubular is NOT
regular steel/tinplate and so Magne-Traction will not work
on it.
You may want to add some ballast weights inside of the loco
shell for tractive effort just like the prototypes did.
Hope this helps. Also, that Lionel/Ives electric outline loco
should not be slipping with that train. Check and make sure
your wheels and rails are free of grease and oil film.
Again, hope this helps.
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Post by mrmeep on Aug 10, 2024 5:37:25 GMT
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Me with my Dad's "temporary tinplate layout" Christmas 1954.
He changed the layout design every year from 1949 until 1969.
He then changed over to Standard Gauge and kept the same
"temporary" layout up in his living room until 1999 when he
gave them all (Standard Gauge) to me.
I have most of the trains in that picture and most of the buildings
on my permanent layouts downstairs. When he passed, the "O" Gauge
collection was split 50/50 with my sister as per his wishes. I think
she gave them to her son, but I don't know. (sigh) Times change....
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Post by oace on Aug 10, 2024 14:31:06 GMT
Magne-Traction will climb some very steep grades, BUT... make sure that your newer tinplate/tubular track is STEEL and NOT aluminum or another alloy. Most new tubular is NOT regular steel/tinplate and so Magne-Traction will not work on it. You may want to add some ballast weights inside of the loco shell for tractive effort just like the prototypes did. Hope this helps. Also, that Lionel/Ives electric outline loco should not be slipping with that train. Check and make sure your wheels and rails are free of grease and oil film. Again, hope this helps. Thanks mrmeep ! The Menards O Gauge tracks are made from "good old magnetic tinned" steel, and of a fair heavy construction, compared to the standards of vintage era (Lionel, Hornby, JEP...) and even recent (Merkur). I added some ballasts (lead foils) on the trucks of my IVES by Williams #1694, and corrected their relative height vs. the motorized wheels. She is able to climb the 4.5% ramp (below) but not the 6.5% one... Oh, for sure tracks and wheels are perfectly clean and degreased. I even polished the wheels to ensure the best electrical contact : maybe it's here where lies my mistake ! Only the two large 4-6-2 UK locomotives would not climb loaded any of the ramps... But they are steady speed in the 6.5% ramp descent, while the IVES accelerates and I have to reduce frankly the track supply to avoid overspeed leading to derailment. Maybe I should have experimented double traction to see how it turns ? It seemed to me that the ramps were not so steep : I was wrong ! OACE
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Post by vintagemodeltrainguy on Aug 12, 2024 0:04:58 GMT
I have noticed that most of the buildings that seem to go with the m10005 Tin Litho Train Sets are Army Related Buildings. I guess this makes sense since they trains were manufactured and sold during World War II. I have a 78" x 36" Layout Table, with a simple oval track. I'm thinking of incorporating 3 or 4 of the Army Buildings and then lots of trees and woodland.
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- still working fine - and which I used to drive my Lionel 2065 "Hudson" and 221 "Torpedo", plus their matching whistling tenders...
for this disappointment 
... And there's nothing I can do except choosing another location, which will be obviously smaller, in order to be flat enough to avoid slipping... Yes, those English steam locomotive do not have the Lionel MagneTraction feature ! 
Oh, that's just a detail... 
