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Post by sdivtim on Oct 23, 2019 14:32:43 GMT
I was gonna buy the N&W tool car that travels with 611 but because of the horror stories since the F units, I’m done buying Lionel for a while.
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Post by 4dogsinjersey on Oct 23, 2019 15:47:01 GMT
I just bought a Lionel GP35 in the livery of the “Allegheny Railroad”. It is a very vibrant scheme, blue and orange and Lionel seemed to get this one right. Now, if they do a another version in the future, the paint match may be a issue.
I wonder if the lack of good color photo documentation has something to do with the odd mistakes Lionel does make. While many new type engines are spot on, many older type units suffer from massive color variations. The silver NYO&W F units come to mind. They do look silver in old photos even though they were grey. But if that is the limit of the maker’s research, they will be making many costly mistakes.
It depends on how the manufacturer researches the paint colors used by real railroads before they commit to a color scheme. While variations occur between models with the same paint scheme, especially with fictional or PE models, there really isn’t an excuse for getting colors way off base. Researching color formulas isn’t hard. The model paint companies do it all the time.
Tom
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Post by Sir James on Oct 23, 2019 15:51:04 GMT
Lionel's screw-ups have been discussed with our club members with many opinions. Mine is no one there is a true train guy. They are of a mind that their TOYS will sell anyway. Sad but seems to be true. Wrong colors. broken parts in the box, wrong sounds, and new boards that have to be sent for reprograming. Need I go on? I will always be a Lionel fan but I'm not buying the junk they are sending us.
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Post by david1 on Oct 24, 2019 4:06:02 GMT
Saw the new 611J today from Lionel and the moron stripe is wrong, too much orange and it looks on the pink side. Runs and sounds great though.
Dave
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Post by kstrains on Oct 24, 2019 4:25:04 GMT
Here is a video of the new J... Here is screen shot from comparisome video on Facebook. Lionel's 2005 TMCC model in back and new Legacy model in front... Showing the color from Museum with 611 emblem...   |
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Post by Sir James on Oct 24, 2019 13:38:05 GMT
Stripe is wrong but it sounds good.
And if you don't like crew talk Don't push the button.
I also saw the pics of their Alco FA's, some looked ok, some were oh so wrong.
S.J.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 13:45:58 GMT
Notch 6 did a side by side comparison with his TMCC version on FB. Boy is that color off big time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 14:01:38 GMT
Notch 6 did a side by side comparison with his TMCC version on FB. Boy is that color off big time. He also compared it to a 611 Magnet souvenir painted in the 611 colors from the Virginia Museum of Transportation that currently owns the J. Unfortunately it really didn't help the situation. The magnet was closer to the new Lionel J's stripe than the older ones and any stripe I've seen before. If it was made to match the J's color the magnet is either right or as off as the new Lionel stripe. In that case the VMT needs a new paint checker as well. The only way this will be settled is to take a new Lionel J and stick it next to the 611. Personally I think the new J is too bright. |
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Post by rockymountaineer on Oct 24, 2019 15:09:22 GMT
FWIW, I seem to recall that the postwar Lionel N&W #746 had a bright red stripe similar to what Lionel’s factory delivered this time. So that color didn’t completely Come out of nowhere. But — much like the banchee-style whistle on the recent Pennsy J1a — it’s NOT what folks were expecting for two reasons: (1) that’s not the color illustrated in the catalogs; and (2) i’d bet many folks ordering the new N&W “J” did so hoping to match it with relatively recent Powhatan Arrow or Pocahontas passenger cars, both of which are painted in the more traditional N&W maroon.
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Post by MichRR714 on Oct 24, 2019 16:57:11 GMT
The magnet comparison is far from helpful in my opinion. I doubt the Museum was ultra-sensitive about the color their magnets turned out when they ordered them.
The bottom line is that the stripe is the wrong color and will look horrendous with most any scale N&W equipment folks have been collecting.
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Post by JKP on Oct 24, 2019 17:49:26 GMT
Lionel is awful right now. Here's a picture of the just released Missouri Pacific FA and then a picture of the real thing. I just bought one this week, and yes I was very dissapointed when i opened it up, expecting it to match the catalog and my MP GP35, I do plan on calling Lionel to see if they will do anything, I'm keeping it either way. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:21:04 GMT
JKP, I pulled that picture from another thread. Would you say that picture is a fair representation of the actual color? I don't have an opportunity to see one in person.
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Post by JKP on Oct 24, 2019 18:42:57 GMT
JKP, I pulled that picture from another thread. Would you say that picture is a fair representation of the actual color? I don't have an opportunity to see one in person. there is a picture of the one I bought in what have you added to your collection lately, mine is darker than your picture but it still not right, there is a picture of my MP35 in the color Monday Blue |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2019 18:49:35 GMT
The magnet comparison is far from helpful in my opinion. I doubt the Museum was ultra-sensitive about the color their magnets turned out when they ordered them.
The bottom line is that the stripe is the wrong color and will look horrendous with most any scale N&W equipment folks have been collecting.
The magnet test is definitely not scientific. I suspect you're correct about it's color correctness as well. |
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Post by JKP on Oct 24, 2019 20:24:21 GMT
Better comparison to why I am disappointed in the color, I'm not a color expert, maybe that is how they are suppose too be. Attachments:
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