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Post by firewood on Oct 29, 2020 20:58:58 GMT
The pics attached are the bones of my layout - ugly stuff. My physical restrictions came under serious consideration when building, so out went any form of crawling around under the layout or moving plywood and other lumber around. So what to do to reach the goal of "achievable layout"? Thoughts as follows: 1. No high-level layout, i.e. long-term standing on my part. 2. No under-layout wiring - all wiring at surface and most wire management at the front of the layout. 3. Layout must be "semi-permanent", i.e. easily knocked down in case of moving and/or disappearing owner/builder. I had a vague memory of Tony Koester (of magazine fame) having built a portable show layout with styrofoam and folding tables. That's how my layout is built. Final positioning still has to be done, and some foam blocks for "locking" the tables have to be added, but basically construction is 2" styrofoam over six 2' x 4' folding tables. I used the card-table style legs to allow clear under-layout box storage. So far so good. Dotted lines are drawn for eventual sectioning of the styrofoam into five or more pieces - just a rough dovetail key cut to allow alignment after a move or dismantling - semi-permanent as per my specs. The wiring is still to be tidied up, but I found some plastic wire management conduits and screwed them into the front of the tables. This gives a decent-looking edge as well as keeping wiring contained - more conduit to come. This layout height gives me more-or-less eye level viewing at slouched chair height (or recliner ) The bridge section is stand-alone on the floor. It's temporarily attached to the rest of the foam bed. There is a layer of track epoxied to the trestle bents, which is overlaid with card "girders". The actual running track is laid over the card. If you check the video in my first post, you'll see the double layer of track just as the train runs past the end of the bridge. Trains will exit a tunnel mouth directly onto the trestle, with the bridge wrapping around a rocky mesa....I hope. FW
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Post by Country Joe on Oct 30, 2020 1:14:08 GMT
FW, your construction method works quite well. About 15 years ago I built an N scale layout with methods similar to what you are using. I used two folding tables that I got from Home Depot or Lowes for support, 1x3s to make a frame to support 1" foam and some 1x3s to elevate the foam above the tables. I dropped wires through the foam and fished them out to the front. It worked really well until N scale got to be too small for me to work with.
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Post by firewood on Oct 30, 2020 18:16:04 GMT
Thanks for the encouraging comments, everyone. Thanks Joe, I too had an excursion into N scale. In the 90s I built a 2' x 9' stretched version of John Allen's early G&D layout, but didn't get to the scenic stage before N scale drove me nuts. Re-visiting the trackplan, this messy sketch started out in SCARM, then was printed, scanned and doodled on - the usual. The layout has no grades - all track is level (-ish) - and is divided into three separate scenic areas, supposedly miles apart. The bottom left corner is planned to be a flag-stop station out in the middle of nowhere, with maybe a freight siding added at some point. Moving to the largest visible section, this consists of a small-town passenger station at lower left looking across the freight yard tracks, with low-relief main street buildings mounted on the scenic divider behind the station. The siding track will be in the middle of the street, giving the impression of a simple streetcar terminal - or for a boxcar spotted behind the station. Moving up to the control panel area, the passing loop fronts on a larger passenger station, with a small passenger yard behind the main building. This yard has two stub-end tracks that end in a dummy tunnel mouth (maybe mirrored?), giving the impression of continuation. The single track at the rear gives possible freight switching in front of low-relief warehouses, and possibly a hidden loads-in/empties-out operation with the mine on the other side of the scenic divider. The plan allows the outside track of the passing loop to be used as a freight yard lead without interrupting a train doing laps around the layout. The same thing is possible in the passenger yard, but a tighter squeeze. Leaving through the tunnel at the end of the main passenger station to the right, the train immediately finds itself crossing Bow-Legged Bridge (thanks Ron!). Here, scenery is down to floor level with trains passing (or switching) a mining operation before disappearing through the scenic divider again, re-appearing at top left. Some more low-relief industrial buildings are planned for that area too, with ways for trains to disappear to far-off places. The layout corner cutoff at top right allows some operator access for emergencies. Most buildings will be low-relief, including the mine infrastructure along the scenic divider. The lines of sight and viewing angles work out pretty well so far, but nothing's carved in stone....mostly styrofoam. The elevated loop isn't finalized yet, as I'm debating whether to go 027 with maybe a K-Line Plymouth mining set and a streetcar or two, or vintage American Flyer which would make an interesting forced perspective. Either way, for the section that curves through the scenic divider beside the bridge, I hope to have a suitably spindly wood trestle. Onward and upward. FW
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Post by firewood on Nov 2, 2020 16:16:14 GMT
3465's engineer has a heavy hand on the throttle today - he might've cracked the sand open too...
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Post by Country Joe on Nov 3, 2020 13:25:58 GMT
FW, your approach is similar to mine though your layout will be quite different. Like you, I have 2 mainlines, a lower and an upper that are not connected and there are no grades. It looks like your lower main is all O42 curves and switches and your upper main it O27. Is that correct?
Your plan to develop scenery sounds good to me. I will be following your build with great interest.
I got into N around 2005. I had no operating problems. I used Kato Unitrack and the trains ran flawlessly. N just became too small for me to work on plus I like bigger trains better. I had G in my basement in the '90s and loved the big trains. We moved to the Mid Hudson Valley in 2001 and there was no room inside for G. After trying every way I could think of to squeeze in bigger trains I settled on N inside and G outside.
Good luck with this build and keep us up to date on your progress.
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Post by firewood on Nov 3, 2020 17:47:25 GMT
Thanks Joe. You are correct - the main lower line is all 0-42, switches and all, with the upper loop shown in 0-27. If my American Flyer interest flares up it could become an elevated dogbone, but I don't want it to overpower the rest of the layout - we'll see, I guess. I realized with N scale I'd have to seriously go up-market to get operational reliability, and I couldn't justify it since I already had a lean towards the bigger stuff. I'm working out how to get overhead catenary on a foam layout - maybe use a hole-saw to pop out circular plywood pole-bases to fit into the foam. I'm working on the Marklin HO catenary method, using 1/4" dowels and brass rod as detailed by Don McCuaig from Hawaii - unsure if he's a member here. For now I'm moving the bridge section to the bench to complete its construction. Onward and upward. FW Lionel EMD FT Canadian Pacific set
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Post by firewood on Jan 13, 2021 1:17:37 GMT
Today one of the Border Line's old but smart 10-wheelers heads out of town with a Canadian Pacific special. Being a multi-company bridge railroad, our short-line sees some strange combinations. Apparently some company officers were along for the ride in the observation car, but the atmosphere was tense. Reportedly the latest slogan from the business development dept. was not well received:
"For Border Line quality & service, come to us!"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 1:29:27 GMT
They have a point. Maybe begin with, âFor the Best in, etcâ.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 1:50:05 GMT
Firewood, Seems I recall seeing that same bowlegged bridge somewhere else. Thank you for the backstory! It sounds great! That is a nice track plan with lots to do, and good to just watch trains roll as well. I use a very similar construction method for my Christmas layouts. The mainstay is a hefty folding banquet table my wife's grandmother left behind. We live in the house she and grandpa had built. When we leave here depending on my abilities, I may very well use a similar construction method myself. I'll be glad to watch for more from you!
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Post by firewood on Jan 13, 2021 2:53:31 GMT
Firewood, Seems I recall seeing that same bowlegged bridge somewhere else. Much appreciated, Mark. Somewhere else? Say it ain't so! FW
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Post by firewood on Feb 13, 2022 2:16:30 GMT
Other than some running videos here and there, I haven't posted any progress since last January. Being in hibernation mode the last while, I did some actual work. I've done a little layout resurrection, i.e. I could actually reach it now that the last offspring has found their own place. The Bowlegged Bridge trestle is getting a backdrop. It's part of the scenic divider that separates the town station, the trestle, and the mine area behind. I'm trying to mimic some of my local scenery which includes a lot of basaltic cliffs. (Pic attached) This attempt is cut-up 2" styrofoam pieces, to which I'm adding scenic effects with the spray-foam/quilt-batting method. More foam-carving to come - the cliffs will grade downward and fade away to the right of the scene. Dave Attachments:
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Post by ptc on Feb 13, 2022 15:36:06 GMT
The pink Styrofoam has some really good usage here.
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Post by Adam on Feb 13, 2022 15:38:39 GMT
Looking good firewood. You are creating some really good interesting areas.
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Post by Country Joe on Feb 14, 2022 5:21:32 GMT
The scene is really taking shape, Dave. I love that train. The tank engine is very cool.
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Post by firewood on Feb 14, 2022 18:25:18 GMT
Thanks, all! I like to have a work train around when construction is happening - it helps with working out scenes. I'm also studying foam-carving at Youtube Academy. So far, the scene is about 5' tall and 2' deep, and I'm trying to avoid too much fragility. Dave
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