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Post by trainman9 on Nov 6, 2024 18:01:09 GMT
I had a crazy idea about how to secure the Legacy H10 gear box without putting in any kind of shim. There is a plate on the bottom of the H10 engine. If you remove that plate you can gain access to the gear box. What if you cleaned out the grease exposing the gears. How about if you put a drop of super glue into either sides of the gears. It might be possible to prevent the gears from moving out of alignment.
Crazy huh.
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Post by JDaddy on Nov 6, 2024 18:22:06 GMT
Not Crazy, if it works, it works. Not sure if this one suffered from locking up in reverse as well?
You could glue the shim at the gear box wall as well and not drill / tap / a fastener to install.
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Post by superwarp1 on Nov 6, 2024 18:39:45 GMT
I had a crazy idea about how to secure the Legacy H10 gear box without putting in any kind of shim. There is a plate on the bottom of the H10 engine. If you remove that plate you can gain access to the gear box. What if you cleaned out the grease exposing the gears. How about if you put a drop of super glue into either sides of the gears. It might be possible to prevent the gears from moving out of alignment.
Crazy huh. Never work IMO. Just to much torque going on there. The only way to get all the grease out it to spray brake clean or some other solvent into the gear box and good chance you lift the paint. If somehow you got all the grease out, maybe a Loctite retaining compound 609 but with such a small space it would be hard to get it in the right spot with out gluing everything up.
The shim works, there's been no complaints, some have been running it for years, no issues. No need to re-invent the wheel and just keep it simple.
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Post by harmonyards on Nov 6, 2024 19:03:51 GMT
I had a crazy idea about how to secure the Legacy H10 gear box without putting in any kind of shim. There is a plate on the bottom of the H10 engine. If you remove that plate you can gain access to the gear box. What if you cleaned out the grease exposing the gears. How about if you put a drop of super glue into either sides of the gears. It might be possible to prevent the gears from moving out of alignment.
Crazy huh. That’s a band aid repair at best. Super Glue doesn’t have enough shear strength to hold. Super Glue is not impervious to oils & grease. Eventually, oils will break down super glue, and lastly, unless you soaked the gear parts in solvent, you’ll never get them 100% oil free………..I’m the fella that designed & implemented the permanent fix for all these types of gear box woes. I literally have 100’s of these repaired, and out in the field. To confirm the fix, I’ve kept in close contact with everyone that’s had the repair. Not one complaint …..
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Post by bobthetrainguy on Nov 7, 2024 3:49:52 GMT
I had a crazy idea about how to secure the Legacy H10 gear box without putting in any kind of shim. There is a plate on the bottom of the H10 engine. If you remove that plate you can gain access to the gear box. What if you cleaned out the grease exposing the gears. How about if you put a drop of super glue into either sides of the gears. It might be possible to prevent the gears from moving out of alignment.
Crazy huh. This doesn't make any sense to me. The intermediate gear is splined, or at least friction fit to the shaft. The whole shaft/gear combo moves laterally as one piece. |
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Post by harmonyards on Nov 7, 2024 13:28:05 GMT
I had a crazy idea about how to secure the Legacy H10 gear box without putting in any kind of shim. There is a plate on the bottom of the H10 engine. If you remove that plate you can gain access to the gear box. What if you cleaned out the grease exposing the gears. How about if you put a drop of super glue into either sides of the gears. It might be possible to prevent the gears from moving out of alignment.
Crazy huh. This doesn't make any sense to me. The intermediate gear is splined, or at least friction fit to the shaft. The whole shaft/gear combo moves laterally as one piece. Quite correct, ….I just read super glue, and my mind goes directly to super glue doesn’t take to contamination at all,…even after it’s cured, ….good catch!…
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Post by trainman9 on Nov 7, 2024 14:08:07 GMT
I said it was a crazy idea.
While there have been a number of shims installed I still say it is a crude but effective solution.
I found a better idea: This installation involves taking the shell off (same as current shim installations) and removing the cover exposing the gear box then dropping the drive train (its all one piece) to get access to the gear shaft just tap the shaft until you are able to slide the shim in place then reassemble everything.
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Post by harmonyards on Nov 7, 2024 14:24:45 GMT
I said it was a crazy idea. While there have been a number of shims installed I still say it is a crude but effective solution.
I found a better idea: This installation involves taking the shell off (same as current shim installations) and removing the cover exposing the gear box then dropping the drive train (its all one piece) to get access to the gear shaft just tap the shaft until you are able to slide the shim in place
That’s fine for this particular model, but all the rest are captured axles,…..so, no it’s not crude, it’s extremely effective, extremely noninvasive, extremely affordable for the average hobbyist, and has a proven track record. Crude my ***
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Post by trainman9 on Nov 7, 2024 15:58:25 GMT
The remedy I posted is the same method that a Lionel Service Station uses on the H10’s if a client wants a shim installed. I did not indicate any other engine.
I think your method is indeed effective as I have posted but I stand by my opinion. It is crude shoving a piece of metal into the gear box and securing it with a screw. If you simply use the shim I show you don’t need any screws.
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Post by harmonyards on Nov 7, 2024 17:15:11 GMT
The remedy I posted is the same method that a Lionel Service Station uses on the H10’s if a client wants a shim installed. I did not indicate any other engine.
I think your method is indeed effective as I have posted but I stand by my opinion. It is crude shoving a piece of metal into the gear box and securing it with a screw. If you simply use the shim I show you don’t need any screws.
Certainly, you know what you can do with your opinion. There’s a special place for it…..
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Post by superwarp1 on Nov 7, 2024 17:27:32 GMT
Ok, boys, This is like the second or third thread on this ever since Harnonyards joined the forum. Give it a rest, Please.
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Post by harmonyards on Nov 7, 2024 18:52:54 GMT
You can drop the drivers out of the H10. So yes, putting an actual shim on the intermediate shaft would not be a difficult task, certainly can be done with basic hand tools, and more than likely have to spin a shim from stock. Given that engine is 10X easier to work on, and my man trainman9 has decided to pick the easiest one out of the group to place himself on a pedestal, and call other repairs crude. So until you come up with a “better” repair for the other umpteen million models that have this same problem, trainman9, you know where & what to do with your opinion……
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Post by bobthetrainguy on Nov 8, 2024 2:07:35 GMT
I said it was a crazy idea. There's crazy ideas, like "hey, maybe we can reuse the rocket engines to make space travel cheaper." Then there are wrong ideas, like "maybe we can use cream of mushroom soup as rocket fuel." Yours sir was the latter. |
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Post by Traindiesel! on Nov 8, 2024 2:47:08 GMT
I said it was a crazy idea. There's crazy ideas, like "hey, maybe we can reuse the rocket engines to make space travel cheaper." Then there are wrong ideas, like "maybe we can use cream of mushroom soup as rocket fuel." Yours sir was the latter.
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Post by MartyE on Nov 8, 2024 11:47:59 GMT
There's crazy ideas, like "hey, maybe we can reuse the rocket engines to make space travel cheaper." Then there are wrong ideas, like "maybe we can use cream of mushroom soup as rocket fuel." Yours sir was the latter.
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