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Post by steveoncattailcreek on Dec 7, 2023 2:01:38 GMT
Old regular mini-lights, not LEDs. I’ve been fiddling with these things for the last three or four Christmas seasons...just not worth it. Besides, you can buy a new strand of 100 for less than seven or eight bucks. Oh, I was not suggesting trying to salvage them for reuse as a light string on the tree, but rather individually and on the layout. In some ways, incandescent mini-lights are even easier to re-use than LEDs, since you can just string three or four of them together serially and power them directly from accessory voltage, no need for current limiting resistors. I've also used the "flasher" bulbs to emulate warning flashing lights. Yes, they are cheap to replace, but they are also even cheaper to recycle for use on the layout.
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Post by healey36 on Dec 7, 2023 2:47:46 GMT
I have saved lengths of bulbs/sockets in the past for use in various projects; still have a number of them, but have rarely used them. Never tried using any of the LEDs. To use those, you’d have to wire in a resistor, wouldn’t ya? I don’t really understand the circuitry required.
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Post by steveoncattailcreek on Dec 7, 2023 3:58:19 GMT
I have saved lengths of bulbs/sockets in the past for use in various projects; still have a number of them, but have rarely used them. Never tried using any of the LEDs. To use those, you’d have to wire in a resistor, wouldn’t ya? I don’t really understand the circuitry required. Yeah, I tend to agree on the first points. All of my salvaged mini-bulbs so far are white incandescent bulbs (my LED strings are all still going strong), and in a lot of cases, I've opted for the low current draw and minimal heat of aftermarket LEDs, often pre-configured to accept the available supply voltage. Even free as salvage, such incandescent bulbs have enough inherent drawbacks to often make LEDs a better option. For instance, I'm currently rehabilitating a recently acquired used Menards burnt engine shed, and just replaced the weak (and in this case, non-functional) built-in LEDs with six flickering orange LEDs (each with resistor and flicker circuit pre-wired) that I bought at a fair price from Evan Design. Sure, LEDs are a bit more finicky to use, but keeping a few points in mind will help: --First, "LED" stands for "light emitting diode". The "light emitting" part is obvious enough, but the "diode" part is important -- it means current will flow in only one direction, so polarity (which side is positive, which negative) is important, in that it will work (emit light) when current flows in only one direction and will not work at all if the leads are reversed. -- Like all diodes, LEDs are one way valves that will prevent any current flow if the polarity is wrong, but when the 'valve' is opened (wired in correct polarity), it can let too much current through if there's too much pressure (voltage). Each LED has its own specs, but most can only directly handle 2-3 volts -- apply more voltage, and the LED will have a very brief life before completely melting down/burning out! If the supply voltage is going to be more than 2-3 volts, a small resistor needs to be added in series with the LED to limit the current drawn. For instance, an arduino output voltage is something like five volts, so you need to add a resistor rated at something in the range of 330 to 470 ohms to prevent burn-out of any LED being powered by an arduino output circuit. Again, each LED has its own specs, but a little careful experimentation (or consulting someone who really knows this stuff!) will put you in the ballpark. -- Finally, LEDs can be used either with DC of the correct polarity, *or* with AC. On AC, the LED (a diode, remember?) will block current flow in one direction, and allow it to pass (and light up!) in the other. There are some (to me!) complex concerns about peak and average voltage and power, and some report shorter lives on AC than on DC, but in general LEDs will work on either DC *or* AC, with some caveats.
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Post by healey36 on Dec 7, 2023 13:50:32 GMT
Thanks, that's helpful and validates most of what I understand to be the necessities of using LEDs in raw form. Some day I'll get around to fiddling with some, but I'll have to do some more experimenting. Last year I swapped out a number of incandescent bulbs for LEDs in some prewar Lionel street lights. I think they were rated at three-volt...didn't last too long.
Meanwhile, I got about half of the outdoor lights up yesterday. Hope to get the rest done today or tomorrow; indoor tree as time allows. I've had trouble the last 3-4 years with squirrels chewing up the ground-level light strings; got myself some animal repellent and sprayed that around the base of the trees with the hope that it keeps the little b******s off of them.
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Post by healey36 on Dec 7, 2023 16:40:46 GMT
Alright, on a roll. The tree's 95% decorated and the felt "snow" skirt is down: Time to head to the attic and see what ceramic stuff I can lay my hands on.
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Post by healey36 on Dec 7, 2023 18:30:21 GMT
Okay, found a few suitable ceramic pieces (easier to retrieve than I thought) and I'm playing around with those. Before I can get them situated, I need to lay the loop of track down so I can make sure of clearances. Being a dinosaur, I'm using O-27 tubular track in a 42" circle. Thankfully I have a pack of O-27 track clips that will keep everything together without being screwed down: I bought these at Klein's back during the Cretaceous Period and they have proven very handy over the years for these temporary sorts of displays. I have an original Ives clip-set too, but those are a bit crusty and mark up the "snow". It's my understanding, and af3020 can correct me, that O-27 was originally an Ives track product, and that these clips were designed and manufactured by Ives before Lionel acquired the line. It's nice to have some Ives creds under the Christmas tree.
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Post by steveoncattailcreek on Dec 7, 2023 18:40:01 GMT
Last year I swapped out a number of incandescent bulbs for LEDs in some prewar Lionel street lights. I think they were rated at three-volt...didn't last too long. Yeah, that'll do it! One other option is to buy a few cheap buck converters (less than two bucks from overseas sources), which accept AC or DC input up to typical track or accessory voltages, and converts it to DC at any level up to the input voltage. So, you could feed accessory AC voltage in, and set it to provide a regulated 3 VDC output, perfect for most 'naked' LEDs . . . without the fireworks! Here's a pic of a buck converter (the one at the top left) feeding a delay relay module (the one at the bottom right) in a benchtop lashup of a trolley stop project:
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Post by healey36 on Dec 7, 2023 21:47:06 GMT
LOL, you are rapidly running beyond my feeble understanding of electronics...send me a link for a supplier/supply and I'll get a few to play with. In the meantime, I'm calling this done (with the exception of the corrugated brick paper skirting, should it ever show up before Christmas): I pulled out a Lionel 1034 pack to use to power the track. Gotta find the MTH Christmas trolley I bought a couple weeks ago, then maybe I can have some fun.
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Post by steveoncattailcreek on Dec 8, 2023 0:00:56 GMT
LOL, you are rapidly running beyond my feeble understanding of electronics...send me a link for a supplier/supply and I'll get a few to play with. Sure, here's a link to the kind I most recently bought: www.aliexpress.us/item/2255800358604164.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.66.182f1802Ros7hl&gatewayAdapt=glo2usaThere may be other, better suppliers or other options on AliExpress, but someone suggested this one and so far, they've worked well for me. There's a small screw on the top of the small blue box to adjust the output voltage. They're priced at less than a dollar each, and though shipping adds to that total, they were still under two bucks apiece, total.
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Post by healey36 on Dec 8, 2023 14:44:13 GMT
Thanks, Steve. Sounds like a good project for the post-Christmas stretch before spring.
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Post by steveoncattailcreek on Dec 8, 2023 22:22:40 GMT
Thanks, Steve. Sounds like a good project for the post-Christmas stretch before spring. Good luck! Oh, and one other possible use -- there's a pretty fair sized capacitor on the output of the buck converter, intended to smooth the pulses from the AC input, but the side effect is to also smooth over any brief interruption of the input. I use these on my crossing guard/crossing bell combo to avoid the arm jitters and audio stutters otherwise caused by intermittent wheel contact with the isolated track activation.
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