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Post by chipset35 on Nov 11, 2023 17:59:31 GMT
I have hooked these up before but am now having a mental block on how to install them. Even Googled for it and could only find MTH Traffic Light instructions. The manuals from MTH no longer download. Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by Adam on Nov 11, 2023 23:05:15 GMT
If you can post some photos of them we may be able to reverse engineer it.
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Post by harborbelt70 on Nov 12, 2023 0:34:00 GMT
MTH made many different versions of these; some came pre-wired, or with old-fashioned binding posts on the base or clips for the wires underneath the base. I think that the first thing you have to do is determine whether the bulbs in them are incandescent or LEDs although I believe most made in the past were the former although MTH also made an LED set. If incandescent they will work on AC transformer power and the polarity of the wires won’t matter. You could try hooking one up to transformer accessory power at say 12-14 volts and see if it illuminates. Some model train incandescent bulbs are rated at up to 18 volts but will burn out more quickly if kept at that level.
When I still used these I never tried wiring them in series but instead hooked them all up to transformer accessory power individually or in parallel.
If they are LEDs you need a DC/rectified power supply and correct polarity must be applied. The MTH LED set came with the wires already attached and color-coded for + and - but I don’t know whether they came equipped with resistors to rectify transformer power. Series wiring is preferable here but I have only done this with passenger car interior lighting using a power distribution board that already has the wiring points printed on it. This is a fiddly job and unless you actually have LEDs in these lamps it is best avoided. OGF sponsor EvanDesigns makes DC power supplies for multiple LEDs and you might check their website if you need to go down this route.
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Post by chipset35 on Nov 12, 2023 14:10:37 GMT
MTH made many different versions of these; some came pre-wired, or with old-fashioned binding posts on the base or clips for the wires underneath the base. I think that the first thing you have to do is determine whether the bulbs in them are incandescent or LEDs although I believe most made in the past were the former although MTH also made an LED set. If incandescent they will work on AC transformer power and the polarity of the wires won’t matter. You could try hooking one up to transformer accessory power at say 12-14 volts and see if it illuminates. Some model train incandescent bulbs are rated at up to 18 volts but will burn out more quickly if kept at that level.
When I still used these I never tried wiring them in series but instead hooked them all up to transformer accessory power individually or in parallel.
If they are LEDs you need a DC/rectified power supply and correct polarity must be applied. The MTH LED set came with the wires already attached and color-coded for + and - but I don’t know whether they came equipped with resistors to rectify transformer power. Series wiring is preferable here but I have only done this with passenger car interior lighting using a power distribution board that already has the wiring points printed on it. This is a fiddly job and unless you actually have LEDs in these lamps it is best avoided. OGF sponsor EvanDesigns makes DC power supplies for multiple LEDs and you might check their website if you need to go down this route. These are the ones that do not have a positive or negative. For ease, I hooked them all up to one of those MTH terminal blocks. Then realized the terminal blocks had positive and negative and got confused. Ihave a bunch of HO/N Transformers with AC on it to use. The question now is, how would those lamps that dont care about + or - ; effect the + and - , the MTH Terminal block has, and then the AC transformer and vice versa?
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Post by steveoncattailcreek on Nov 12, 2023 17:29:06 GMT
These are the ones that do not have a positive or negative. For ease, I hooked them all up to one of those MTH terminal blocks. Then realized the terminal blocks had positive and negative and got confused. Ihave a bunch of HO/N Transformers with AC on it to use. The question now is, how would those lamps that dont care about + or - ; effect the + and - , the MTH Terminal block has, and then the AC transformer and vice versa?
Don't know specifically about MTH lights, but in general incandescent "AC" lights will work fine on DC of the appropriate voltage, regardless of polarity, and LED "DC" lights will work fine on AC, as long as there's a current limiting resistor in the circuit somewhere (the "D" in "LED", after all, stands for "diode"). As to DC polarity, the only effect of reversing the DC polarity is that the light will not work as long as the polarity is backwards. So, to test the lights, you might want to use the throttle-controlled output of one of your transformers, start at the low end, and increase the output until you get the desired brightness. Then, measure the voltage and recreate that level on the feed running (in parallel) to the lights you want to use.
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Post by curtis on Nov 13, 2023 0:58:26 GMT
I have several MTH Lights but would love to see a picture of the type you are trying to wire up.
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Post by chipset35 on Nov 14, 2023 14:39:15 GMT
I was able to figure it all out. Once I started messing with it, my mental block cleared.
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