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Post by chipset35 on Nov 5, 2023 14:30:18 GMT
Do you take short cuts in the construction of your layout due to the inability to physically do certain things? For me, all of my layouts since I got back into the hobby back in 2000, do not use the classic 2x4 and plywood table construction. Instead, I bought a few plastic modular shelves from Lowe's and/or Home depot in "Black" to be my framework. I then lay pink or blue insulation sheets on top of them. Sometimes I will just glue plywood that I happened to have on the top plastic service with Woodland Scenic's white foam glue and then the insulation sheet on top with the same glue. That glue works on everything I have found. The challenge is making sure your layout surface is level. This construction technique is very error friendly, for if you make a mistake, the white foam glue which if you only use as "dots" , allows foam or anything else for that matter to be pulled up without damage to the object or yourself. Just make sure to use it very sparingly, a little goes a ling way and its strong. A stack of 2 is usually the perfect height. Try it out!
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Post by dlagrua on Nov 5, 2023 14:59:44 GMT
As we age the body gets weaker and we have less agility. It becomes necessary to make changes that enable us to deal with jobs that we once found easy and are now hard. For instance when we lift heavy items new methods become necessary. My layout was built using 1 x 4 pine for the frame and 1/2"plywood for the top. That goes back 20 years. I can still handle the 1x4 pine but large pieces of plywood I ask to be cut in two before they can be loaded on my truck. If I did this today I would probably use insulation board for the top. Your method using plastic shelving sounds great for use seniors. You can see in the photo how we made lightweight legs that are strong and easy to make. Far less weight that by using 2 x 4's
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Post by dennym57 on Nov 5, 2023 15:57:04 GMT
After I got home from the motorcycle accident that landed me in the hospital for two months. I was determined to get to my layout in the basement. I decided to expand it just to see if I could do it and I was successful. I still do work on it despite my nerve damage.
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Post by healey36 on Nov 5, 2023 16:15:43 GMT
My basement layout is 3/4-inch plywood over 1x4 framing on 2x4 legs. It sits 40 inches off the floor and is covered in gray short-pile indoor/outdoor carpet. I built it 25 years ago (at least), and I'm not changing it (although it needs a bit of rewiring, which I'm not looking forward to doing). I run conventional, so three loops gives you three trains of action.
I've lost about sixty pounds over the last year, and that has made a big difference in mobility. Luckily, no major physical (orthopedic) issues yet. The knee problem that kept me out of the Navy slowly worsens, but probably five or six years away from having to do anything about it. Storage is my biggest problem...I've got too much "stuff".
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Post by firewood on Nov 5, 2023 17:04:05 GMT
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Post by josef on Nov 5, 2023 18:10:32 GMT
I've built many layouts from "N", "HO", to "O". One thing I have never done or seen the need for is 3/4" plywood. Its heavy and really used in flooring in your home and in my case also an outdoor 10X14 storage shed, I don't believe I will ever put a full size refrigerator or washer and dryer on my layout. I've also found that 3/8" or if needed 1/2". At present I used 3/8" with foam boards on top and cut 2x4s into 2x2", (actually smaller then 2x2s since lumber is not dimensionally a given). I can walk and knee; and stand on my tables with no problems. I use screws and not nails and they are stainless since water and moisture is used in scenery, so as not to rust. I have my 4x8 plywood sheets cut in half at the lumber yard. Easy to transport and lighter. As to wiring, I use a lot of connectors, the slide in male and female. This also avoids shorts and go to a bridge or bank. Makes work easier to disconnect a structure if wanting to change or replace lights. My wiring is now a 1/4 of a mess compared to previous layouts. All wiring is coded as to structures, tracks, accessories, signals, also DC and AC, since I have some DC in 4.5Volts.
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Post by david1 on Nov 5, 2023 18:20:18 GMT
Since I moved from my house to a over 65 apt I used the Mianne bench work Frame I had but covered it with 2" pink foam. it is 48" high. Best for me beings I am 6'3". Also it gives me plenty of space underneath for storage. I'm thinking of extending one side to create a yard. Of course I would have to move some furniture but I think I can do it.
Beings I use dept 56 buildings I have the power strips on top of the layout, usually with 16 outlets that are hidden behind scenery. They are plugged in to the wall outlets using heavy duty extensions. The buildings lights are plugged in to those power strips. For the train power I use 14 and 16 GA wire which is underneath the layout.
Dave
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Post by ptc on Nov 5, 2023 18:58:02 GMT
I would not call them shortcuts, more innovations.
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Post by keithb on Nov 5, 2023 19:49:45 GMT
I would not call them shortcuts, more innovations. What ptc said. Thanks for sharing, others will benefit.
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Post by healey36 on Nov 5, 2023 22:40:02 GMT
One thing I have never done or seen the need for is 3/4" plywood. In earlier days when the layout was more scale than toy, I found the need to occasionally climb up there and crawl around or stand on it. I was a bigger boy back then and wanted something substantial to support my weight. Definitely over-engineered given current requirements. I will say 3/4-inch plywood with a thick indoor/outdoor covering helps deaden the rumble quite a bit, even considering the track is screwed down through the carpet and into the plywood. It's not perfectly quiet, but the drum-effect is much less as compared to 3/8-inch or 1/2-inch. I'd be the first to admit I need to add to and neaten my wiring. Right now it's shambolic in places, inadequate in others. I should really rip it all out and go with a bus circuit end-to-end.
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Post by Adam on Nov 6, 2023 0:28:06 GMT
I would not call them shortcuts, more innovations. I like the way you think Brian!
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Post by atsda on Nov 6, 2023 16:43:26 GMT
Vince, I like your system, and glad it works out for you. Alfred
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Post by atsda on Nov 6, 2023 16:52:47 GMT
There are very good ideas and recommendations posted. Since I put my framed board ('project board' wit 1" x 2" framing) on saw horses, the underside clearance is not high, which necessitates crouching (which is getting difficult) to do wiring. I would now consider a framework that has the board height at at least 34", so that I could sit under and not have to have my arms raised too high. Access is also important. There are some really tight spots around my layout, and there is the nagging issue of having to crawl under to get into the main area of the attic. Alfred
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Post by healey36 on Nov 6, 2023 21:03:25 GMT
Good point about crawling. The layout itself is forty inches off the floor, so good access underneath, but the Hell Gate is paired with a Korber truss bridge to form the duck-under for access. I regret doing that now.
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Post by Traindiesel! on Nov 6, 2023 23:17:25 GMT
It’s all relative. A few years ago I blew out my knee doing landscaping. Didn’t need surgery but it hurt like the devil and it affected the rest of my body as my movement was compromised. But I still dragged myself to the airport, went to the York Meet and home again and continued building my layout by any means necessary. Because I love doing all that.
But if I get a hangnail I ain’t doing any landscaping. The muscle memory is still too painful. On the couch I go. I do all our landscaping and anything involving a ladder with my phone!
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