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Post by harborbelt70 on Oct 21, 2023 12:37:08 GMT
I said last week that this time I'd show the oldest thing in the family train stable plus the nearest thing I have to tinplate so first here's the oldie:
Some while back I worked out that although after all this time the cab number has disappeared this is probably a Lionel 2020 Pennsy steam turbine and a 2020W whistle tender, made in the period 1946 - 1949. This was my Dad's engine now in the safe custody of my older brother.
I remember my Dad running this in the 60s and that it used smoke pellets, which is my only experience of that smoke method. At some point some restoration might have been done because it looks to me that there are some repainted parts. I think that this is how it looked when made:
Second, old collectibles including Marx, clockwork engines and tinplate are really not my thing. However, some years back after I saw a Beyer-Garratt prototype I was researching it and came across this jewel of an engine on consignment to a LHS (Berwyn's), took it on spec and decided to keep it:
This is made by the Czech company ETS and is a 3rail conventional model with sound and lights and all sheet metal construction. It actually sounds like it looks with choo-choo chuffs and a very toy-like whistle. It's a very smooth runner on an even and well-powered loop of track, which I haven't got set up at the moment or I'd post a video. It has a can motor and a unique clutch system, and models an Argentine prototype that I have never seen - but I did see something of the same kind years back in an African train museum which caused my interest in this type of steamer:
ETS makes other versions of this including a South African version and I think that they also make 3rail command control ones and/or with a smoke feature.
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Post by Adam on Oct 21, 2023 12:59:42 GMT
That ETS model is really beautiful!
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Post by af3020 on Oct 21, 2023 14:01:25 GMT
Good heavens, it's Saturday already! I guess it's time for me to uphold my end of last week's bargain with harborbelt70. Here's a side shot of one of the bigger engines on the Ophir and Oblivion - a 3rd rail PRR Mountain......Arrrggggh - too big a hurry to take the picture - sorry about the derailed front truck.
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Post by harborbelt70 on Oct 21, 2023 15:12:32 GMT
Good heavens, it's Saturday already! I guess it's time for me to uphold my end of last week's bargain with harborbelt70. Here's a side shot of one of the bigger engines on the Ophir and Oblivion - a 3rd rail PRR Mountain...... Arrrggggh - too big a hurry to take the picture - sorry about the derailed front truck. Nice 3rd Rail engine. I suppose we could have a contest for derailment photos but I don't want to encourage anyone to go off the rails deliberately. I have numerous train photos with inadvertent bloopers in them. Spot the spun-off traction tire in this one of my UP 80 Coal Turbine:
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Post by healey36 on Oct 21, 2023 19:50:28 GMT
Very nice, Harborbelt. Nothing says postwar like the turbine. Lionel must have made tens of thousands of them, yet the PRR made just the one. Every kid wanted one, and a bunch got them. Here's mine, a refurbished example of a battered 681 found at a local meet: I have to say, I much prefer the look of the 671 with its nickel-rimmed drivers. As far as ETS goes, I only have one of their locomotives, and it's a polar opposite of yours: The Glaskasten; how about it?
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Post by harborbelt70 on Oct 21, 2023 21:09:49 GMT
Very nice, Harborbelt. Nothing says postwar like the turbine. Lionel must have made tens of thousands of them, yet the PRR made just the one. Every kid wanted one, and a bunch got them.As far as ETS goes, I only have one of their locomotives, and it's a polar opposite of yours: The Glaskasten; how about it? In answer:
1. Yeah, that's what I found out - possibly scores of thousands, and in any case many of them are still around and operating.
2. To my eyes it's not so different, but when I saw that model in the ETS catalog I thought it was a Euro fantasy scheme switcher!
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Post by firewood on Oct 21, 2023 22:01:50 GMT
This is made by the Czech company ETS and is a 3rail conventional model with sound and lights and all sheet metal construction. It actually sounds like it looks with choo-choo chuffs and a very toy-like whistle. It's a very smooth runner on an even and well-powered loop of track, which I haven't got set up at the moment or I'd post a video. It has a can motor and a unique clutch system, and models an Argentine prototype that I have never seen - but I did see something of the same kind years back in an African train museum which caused my interest in this type of steamer: ETS makes other versions of this including a South African version and I think that they also make 3rail command control ones and/or with a smoke feature.
It’s a beauty 👍👍. It follows the British-built Kitson-Meyer articulated design, and many went to South American mountain lines with their constant curves. You’ll find several videos on Youtube, plus an O-gauge 3-rail scratchbuilt version. There are still a few of these in South American boneyards. Dave
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Post by 4dogsinjersey on Oct 21, 2023 22:08:00 GMT
A side shot of an MTH 2-8-0in Reading dress. The caboose is also MTH, repainted into Reading by me… Tom
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Post by atsda on Oct 23, 2023 16:11:14 GMT
harborbelt70, the 2020 is a nice engine. About the sound effect on the other old item you mentioned, I recall that the 'chuffing' sound in some equipment was made by a mechanism in the tender that would move a piece over a sandpaper-coated box. Alfred
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Post by harborbelt70 on Oct 23, 2023 17:04:17 GMT
harborbelt70, the 2020 is a nice engine. About the sound effect on the other old item you mentioned, I recall that the 'chuffing' sound in some equipment was made by a mechanism in the tender that would move a piece over a sandpaper-coated box. Alfred Well, in fact the sound of the ETS loco is not far off being like scraping sandpaper although possibly more subtle (it does have some form of sound module and a speaker in the cab), and the whistle is not going to cause any avalanches. This model really wasn't liking my command control carpet layout with its jittery voltage from elderly K-Line SuperSnap track joints, but here's 8 seconds I grabbed of the main sounds. I had a really tough time holding the camera and working the transformer lever at the same time; in fact I edited out the last seconds of the video because the camera fell on its face!
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Post by healey36 on Oct 23, 2023 17:31:08 GMT
That's interesting; I didn't realize ETS was putting sound gear in their locos. Seems a smooth runner.
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Post by david1 on Oct 23, 2023 20:40:33 GMT
These are the old ROW models now made by Menards and have been upgraded to include better mounting of the trucks and they roll much better. The containers I just got at York. Also I use small washers in the cars well and two round magnets that I mount in the bottom container to help stability of the container to prevent wobble. Also adds weight.
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