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Post by keithl on Oct 12, 2022 22:03:23 GMT
A topic that comes up here every so often is "What happened to Williams Trains / Williams by Bachmann?"
Well, I just came across a new and informative video that tells the full story of Williams, starting from its founding in 1971, but focusing on the changes since Williams was acquired by Bachmann.
The video, How Bachmann Ruined Williams Trains, is currently the most recent upload on Toy Train Tips and Tricks on YouTube.
Highly recommended!
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Post by dennym57 on Oct 12, 2022 22:56:00 GMT
I just watched it the other day. I'm going to watch again so I can form an opinion.
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Post by thebigcrabcake on Oct 12, 2022 23:39:44 GMT
That video with interesting and very informative. Thanks for the link.
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Post by david1 on Oct 12, 2022 23:42:11 GMT
I love williams trains but when Bachmann bought Williams in 2007 what they did was nothing to advance Williams sales. What they did was a omission, they added nothing to the Williams product line, it seems to me they just let it rot on the vine. Oh they still release a few items every now and then but nothing worthwhile.
I have quite a bit of williams that I bought in the 90's and early 2000's. I am now running them as I have tired of the other mfgs who think we are made of money and asking absurd amounts for them. Yes I still have some of the modern marvels but for now they sit on the side while the smooth running and quiet Williams run. We all know they run in conventional only but do we really need all the electronics that are used into trains and one day will not run for lack of parts. I like the F7's which btw are old Kusan molds, why not use them or if Bachmann was smart sell them to a party who will make the trains some people want, well built, less expensive, rugged, conventional trains. I may be wrong in my opinion but I think the market is out there, just look at what Menards has done with their line of freight cars, buildings, and many other things.
Dave
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Post by Adam on Oct 13, 2022 1:01:34 GMT
Seems to tell the story well. But it doesn't address the why. Why would Bachmann ignore O-Gauge? Lots of guesses could be made but the answers would be found only in the board room.
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Post by mrmeep on Oct 13, 2022 4:14:19 GMT
The bottom line to this whole thing was Jerry Williams wanted to sell the train business for medical reasons. Plus he had a TON of commercial warehouse properties he was selling also. He was VERY big in commercial real estate as well as trains.
Bachmann had a sudden need for warehouse space due to a huge fire that did theirs in.
Bachmann and Williams got together and a "deal" was struck where Bachmann bought Williams Electric Trains as part of a real estate deal for the warehouses as well. Sort of a "lock, stock and barrel" thing.
Bachmann thought they might want to get into the "O" Gauge market and saw this as an avenue to do it quickly, but the corporate wonks at Bachmann then decided not to and let the "O" Gauge stuff just die off. They sold existing stock and ran a few small production runs of older items and that was basically it. They are pretty much just running existing stuff and that is less and less each time. Soon it will all be gone.
I guess at the time there were too many people at the table trying to a slice of an ever smaller pie. Now there aren't as many manufacturers and those that are still around are asking an arm and a leg for their trains.
Bachmann is well established with their HO Gauge market and isn't really interested in breaking new ground, especially in these economic times.
Would be nice if Bachmann sold some of their molds and tooling to someone like Menards who is interested in selling affordable, simple rugged trains to people who are interested in the hobby.
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Post by gftiv on Oct 13, 2022 11:29:12 GMT
Thanks for the info, mrmeep. It tells more about the situation than anything else that I have read.
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