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Post by ptc on May 25, 2020 10:46:14 GMT
The owners of the Round the Clock Diner were back on Fox & Friends this morning and they are staying open despite their license being temporarily suspended. Like the gym in New Jersey where the state changed the locks on their front door, this will soon wind up in the federal court system.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 12:16:24 GMT
I agree with Brian. The owners of the Round The Clock Diner will most assuredly end up in court. Will they be defendants or plaintiffs?? Who knows. a great many people have for a long time now treated the Justice system as a sporting event and will go to court at the drop of a hat!! Obviously being Canadian my views will differ from most of you. Our Justice System is much different from yours. Now, I have know idea if the Owners of the two Diner locations had a takeout system in place or not as we have here. I personally know a few Restaurant owners where I live and they have told me they are making the same amount of money if not more during this pandemic than they were before. They are also allowed to sell alcohol with take out orders. Craft Breweries are also doing a brisk business. Bear in mind that our Federal and Provincial Government Wage and Business Stimulus Programs are totally different than those offered by your levels of Government. The Provincial Government of Ontario Have begun the first phase of opening up the Province. How long this will last I do not know as the numbers of infected people have started to climb again. people flouting the rules and apparently due to people who work in close proximity to one another. IE Front Line Responders, Military personnel, taxi drivers, meat packing employees, school age children, etc. Those who are over the age of 60 and people who have other mitigating health issues are still in the highest risk demographic of the population. It also appears that younger people could be transmitting this disease to others unknowingly. The first stage of reopening the Province may be short lived as well. Ontario wants all of it's citizens to be tested regardless of having symptoms or not. There are a lot of people who suffered from this virus before any information or measures for it were put in place and came through it because of the strength of their own immune symptoms. I may be one of those people. Starting the morning of December 31st,2019 I became violently ill for six weeks. Looking back Cheryl believes I may have been exposed due to the fact she was in very close proximity to a coworker who had just returned from visiting her family near Wuhan. Chery was also sick at this time but not nearly as much as I was. Therefore I will get tested to see if this was the case. We wear masks and gloves and follow the proper procedures for doing so when we are out and about for any reason and will continue to do so for as long as we feel it is necessary to do so. As for dining out...NO WAY!! Even before Covid-19 we did not go out to dine as most restaurants couldn't par-boil shite for a tramp!! We do not even gather with the "legal" amount of people we could socialize with. I know there are so many people suffering financially and a great number of people have made CV-19 a political issue but, any way you want to look at this it is still deadly virus that is nowhere near being done away with!! Our Health Professionals are starting to acknowledge the fact that there may well be a second wave of the virus that could hit us in September and or October. The time we are living in is not about our Civil Liberties, it is about Life and Death! Below are figures released by the Province of Ontario yesterday.
Since the pandemic began, about 25 per cent of Ontario’s cases are among people 25 to 39. About 30 per cent of cases are among those 40 to 59, while 21 per cent are among those 60 to 79. People 80 and over also account for about 21 per cent of cases.
Sincerely,
Gary and Cheryl.
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Post by Adam on May 25, 2020 12:53:07 GMT
Gary, Cheryl,
Your thoughts are very well captured in your post. Your position on this is very valid and I struggle with understanding what is the right thing to do myself.
The one thing I know for sure is that we still don’t know enough about this virus. To me, the topic of reopening businesses is a complicated issue. Restaurants here in Northern Central MA have been doing very well with takeout. Even the General Store in town has done an outstanding job of shifting to online ordering and pickup. However, of course, many of these businesses aren’t employing wait staff and other positions.
I’m one of the lucky people who can work from home and the company that I work for is doing well. Striking the right balance to get people who aren’t so lucky back to work while keeping people safe is not easy. We will be living with COVID-19 for a long time, so I feel we do need to find ways to slowly open in some careful ways. The three phase process most states are following seems to be a reasonable approach. But of course, it’s too soon to be sure how it will play out.
I pray that everyone continues to stay safe and healthy.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 13:48:37 GMT
Where we live Ontario workers have choices. They can work their full schedule, part time or not at all due to CV-19 restrictions. Those people who work part time can earn up to $1000.00 and receive another $1000.00 from the Province of Ontario for a total of $2000,00 per month. For those who are not working hear and across Canada the Federal Government pays those people $2000.00 per month. The only stipulation being that you must have earned $5000.00 or more during 2019 Cheryl and I are fortunate to be Federal Government employees and receive our full wages as do all federal employees in Canada. Me, because I am on LTD until I retire at the end of September and Cheryl because she works from home. The only advice I can give you Adam is to wear the proper PPE properly, avoid the general public as much as you can and to sterilize everything and was all foodstuffs as best you can. Along with washing your hands for 30 seconds in hot soapy water. I know living in a bubble is not fun at all! It sure better than the alternative though. I am also very glad I am married. If I wasn't I would probably be going Bat Shit Crazy by now!! LOL!!!
Stay Safe,
Gary.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 13:50:34 GMT
M151 said: "I rather err on the side of caution, and save a life."
Gary and Cheryl said: "We wear masks and gloves and follow the proper procedures for doing so when we are out and about for any reason and will continue to do so for as long as we feel it is necessary to do so."
Adam said: "Your position on this is very valid and I struggle with understanding what is the right thing to do myself.
We will be living with COVID-19 for a long time, so I feel we do need to find ways to slowly open in some careful ways. The three phase process most states are following seems to be a reasonable approach."
Thank you M151, Gary and Adam. This is a health issue, not political, legal or cultural. We are all struggling with the next moves and if we could simply remember it is our health and those around us who are the real issue. Do the right thing. Protect yourself, your family, your friends and your neighbors.
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Post by Sir James on May 25, 2020 13:52:59 GMT
In Mi. the barber that got his license revoked stayed open as well, he just won his case in court. 1 for our side.
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Post by ptc on May 25, 2020 16:34:11 GMT
The problem as I see it is the inconsistency of what's reasonable among certain Governors applying a set of restrictions for their entire states based upon heavy metropolitan areas. Michigan is an excellent example, rules that apply to the greater Detroit area are not applicable to the Upper Peninsula or a lot of the rural areas. More of a power grab by the Governors unfortunately. The New Jersey Governor recently said that our Bill of Rights are above his "pay grade". WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Round the Clock Diner is another good example. 1 1/2 hours from Philadelphia and a business and clientele that are respecting social distancing and precautions.
The state courts are reflecting the Governors' demands, but the federal court system, that they cannot influence, may be a different story. Let's hope so. I am all for precautions, and having two months of experience under our belts, let's adjust to what the circumstances are NOW.
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Post by m151 on May 25, 2020 16:54:28 GMT
Bad part about opening one area of the state, is people from those large urban areas flock to that now open area. greatly increasing the risk, of that area's population. thats why testing is so important.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 15:14:54 GMT
You're absolutely right Brian and m151. Here in Ontario when Premier Ford was considering allowing city dwellers to have access to their cottages he spoke with the rural Mayors whose Municipalities would be affected. Below is what the Premier said before the Victoria Day Long Weekend.
UPDATE: If you were heading up north for May 24, you may want to rethink your plans. Earlier this week, Doug Ford had said he couldn’t "hold taxpayers back from going to their cottages” and saw no “massive issue” with people heading to cottage country for the holiday weekend. But on May 7, after speaking with some of cottage-country mayors, the Ontario premier has since clarified his stance, asking any visitors to stay away and telling seasonal residents travelling to cottages to “practise the same public health measures as usual, including no public gatherings, avoiding nonessential travel as much as possible, and continue to practice social distancing." Ford added: “There will be plenty of long weekends to come.”
Gary.
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Post by rockymountaineer on May 26, 2020 17:30:31 GMT
Folks, here's my take on this in a nutshell. This pandemic has both health AND political overtones. NEITHER can be denied.... and therein lies the challenge. Every life is precious, but we're in a war with an invisible enemy. And in wars there are casualties. So we need to minimize the casualties as much as possible while moving quickly to reopen the economy. The time for country-wide "stay at home" orders is OVER. If certain segments of the population wish to stay home, that's their prerogative. But an all-out shutdown countrywide at this point is downright irresponsible. Admitedly, the political overtones here are all too real. And local governors -- especially in blue states -- have largely overstepped their authorities, as they've gone way, WAY behind protecting public safety. The litmus tests of common sense are nowhere to be found. And what's been most insulting to small business owners is they were NEVER given the choice to RESPONSIBLY work their way through this mess. The number of small businesses that were shuttered with ZERO recourse is unforgivable. Governors Cuomo, Murphy, Wolf and Whitmer -- just to name a few -- were irresponsible and arrogant in their approaches. And I'd challenge any of them in a public debate and handily tear them to shreds due in large part to their abject failure in leadership. It's beyond the scope of this forum to get into the why's and wherefore's. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have been a vocal critic of these blue-state governors. And you're welcome to follow my commentaries on Facebook if you're so inclined. That being said, I do hope the owners of Round-the-Clock Diner prevail. They DESERVE to open their business RESPONSIBLY on their own merit -- not just because some left-wing governor want to keep the economy off balance in an election year. And the latter is a very real strategy. The owner of a small independent gym in NJ recently had the building's locks changed to deny the owner access after opening several days last week -- despite the fact the gym was completely reconfigured, and appropriate sanitization procedures implemented to make the environment safe. Nonetheless, NJ's governor still maintained his arrogant stance. I'll be watching closely to see if Comrade Wolf tries the same authoritarian tactic with the two York locations of Round-the-Clock diner. Let's hope not.
Look.... everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinions as to how these governors have acted. But I have ZERO problem maintaining some of these governors have failed to act in a good-faith American spirit. The first couple of weeks warranted a close stay-at-home strategy to help ensure public safety. But we're all smart people who've observed inconsistent decision-making on even the best of days. So-called experts have provided conflicting information in the 2+ months this has been ongoing. People have been watching carefully... and they're now making their own decisions. As Americans we have that right -- and we have the inherent right to prove we can do so RESPONSIBLY. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights don't have a time-out feature during pandemics.
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Post by JDaddy on May 26, 2020 18:09:32 GMT
When the media is allowed to spread fear, all are not safe. Time to turn off the TV...
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Post by ptc on May 26, 2020 19:59:53 GMT
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Post by Country Joe on May 26, 2020 20:06:07 GMT
Why is it safe for Walmart to be open but not safe for a diner to be open? Why is it safe for an abortion clinic to open but not a salon? Why is it unsafe for folks to swim at the beach or to go out on their boats? How are those activities unsafe? Why have the police been sent to stop an outdoor drive in church service where members are in their personal vehicles? Why is it less safe for folks to workout in a gym than to shop in a Home Depot?
These rules seem to be more about politics and power than public safety. I am a 70 year old asthmatic with controlled diabetes so I am in a higher risk group but ultimately I'm responsible for my own actions. I'm doing all I can to stay safe but I see no reason why diners, restaurants, gyms, beaches, marinas and a host of other businesses should be forced to remain closed.
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Post by harborbelt70 on May 26, 2020 22:33:46 GMT
These rules seem to be more about politics and power than public safety. I am a 70 year old asthmatic with controlled diabetes so I am in a higher risk group but ultimately I'm responsible for my own actions. I'm doing all I can to stay safe but I see no reason why diners, restaurants, gyms, beaches, marinas and a host of other businesses should be forced to remain closed. I think you’ve put your finger on the central point. A lot of this has nothing to do with logic, or any familiarity with what effort it takes to run a business, which I have finally concluded almost no politicians have - especially those who’ve been groomed for public office. Instead it’s fueled by social media, broadcasting frenzy and the daily sound bite contest, which is totally unproductive. If this keeps up, I’m off to a survivalist community in the wide open spaces!
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Post by Traindiesel! on May 27, 2020 3:37:02 GMT
Welcome to Socialism, everyone!
Even though a lot of restaurants and other businesses are beginning to open up here, there are still some head scratching decisions being made.
The Supreme Ruler of the DPRC (Democratic Peoples Republic of California), has allowed beaches to open. But, although you can swim, walk, run or play volley ball, you cannot sit on the beach or walk on the boardwalk! What's the difference between walking on the beach and walking on the boardwalk??
If people would be responsible for themselves, practice hygiene, keep your mouth and nose covered, stay home if you're sick and don't get too close to others until the virus passes, most everyone will be fine.
If some refuse to be responsible and don't protect themselves, well, then natural selection will take over.
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