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Post by Traindiesel! on Oct 25, 2024 20:18:26 GMT
Did MTH ever do a woodside passenger car diner.
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Post by trainman9 on Oct 25, 2024 20:30:50 GMT
Did MTH ever do a woodside passenger car diner.
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Post by healey36 on Oct 25, 2024 21:38:04 GMT
For anyone interested. George Pullman built the first Dining Car in 1868, "The Delmonico". The first regular scheduled Dining cars were run by the Michigan Central Railroad in 1876. Wonder if that is were they got the name for Delmonico steak or was it visa versa or pure coincidence? The Delmonico Steak was the invention of Delmonico’s, a restaurant in New York City. The dish was offered on their menu starting ~ 1850.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Oct 25, 2024 22:27:40 GMT
Cheer up Dave, when they make another run of these they will glow in the dark just like the woodside versions coming soon. IMO the woodside coaches go better with the F-19 sinister gothic vibe. The spooky window silouhettes will be better than figures visually. Agreed. I have the woodside coaches on order, and I needed another set of coaches like I need a hole in the head.  However, I wasn't looking for the complete set.
My Halloween rolling stock is a bit of a hodge-podge of different liveries. And since Halloween is such a "short seasonal" snapshot, I've combined strict Halloween offerings with regular year-round roadnames that fit the black/orange color scheme... such as Wheeling & Lake Erie, and I also have the Asa Packer Lehigh Valley set which is oddly colored in black/orange coaches. So I was really just looking for the StationSounds diner in this ELX Midnight Special livery.
The odd thing is the seller who now wants $950 for a basic 2-pack was one of the sellers who sold the SSD in mid-September for $350-ish. And now he wants $475 for just a basic 18" heavyweight coach w/o sounds. Makes no sense whatsoever, aside from the proximity to Halloween being next week. I know these greedy low-lifes exist out there, and calling them out here isn't gonna shame them into stopping their behavior. They are who they are.
To rub a bit of salt in the wound... here are the typical street prices for these cars from places like Charlie Ro and Legacy Station, when they were first announced about 5 years ago. Alas... it's now water under the bridge:
Onward....
Dave, consider it a character building opportunity. Then again you are quite a character already! 
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Post by rockymountaineer on Oct 25, 2024 23:32:24 GMT
No they didn’t. I have the MTH Strasburg set and I bought an extra single car to attempt to make my own diner. I haven’t done it yet though, I don’t know what I was thinking! Jack Pierce has earned a stellar reputation for detailing a variety of rolling stock. And his prices are worth every penny BECAUSE THERE IS A VALUE ADD to the original piece of rolling stock. These other jokers add nothing to the equation except their own greed... which is why I love it when the importers re-issue a product offering, and the shysters are forced to cut their prices dramatically. And in some cases, they're left holding an outdated model because newer features are included in the "re-issue". 
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Post by rockymountaineer on Oct 25, 2024 23:38:06 GMT
Did MTH ever do a woodside passenger car diner.
For a few York's now, he's posted that he's not able to accept "new work" at York. But by the time the next York rolls around, he has a wealth of great product to display. So somewhere between train shows he must find time to produce some product "on spec" to sell at the train shows.
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Post by rockymountaineer on Oct 25, 2024 23:53:09 GMT
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Not all dealers prescribe to this pricing system but they are out there. Always shop around before making any buying decisions. Thankfully, MOST dealers nowadays are reputable in this regard. And to that degree, the most they'll charge is MSRP if they sense market inventory is low. The problem we're talking about here tends to surface when the shysters realize they might have the only supply... and then they can't help but get in the way of themselves... succumbing to the greed factor. This was MUCH more an issue back in the "collector era" heydays before the Internet. I recall a dealer in central NJ (when I lived in Middletown NJ back in the mid-1980's) who would significantly adjust his store prices UPWARD, if Lionel ever "shorted" him on a shipment... well above MSRP, which ushered in the use of "rare" and "very rare" terminology when making store labels and print ads. Who remembers all the full-page and multi-page magazine ads with columns of product? And the hottest of products had "CALL" instead of a specific price, since the ad deadline for print magazines obsoleted any price that would have been listed. Fond memories for sure!!!! 
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Post by Traindiesel! on Oct 26, 2024 1:32:25 GMT
No they didn’t. I have the MTH Strasburg set and I bought an extra single car to attempt to make my own diner. I haven’t done it yet though, I don’t know what I was thinking!
For a few York's now, he's posted that he's not able to accept "new work" at York. But by the time the next York rolls around, he has a wealth of great product to display. So somewhere between train shows he must find time to produce some product "on spec" to sell at the train shows.
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Post by Traindiesel! on Oct 26, 2024 1:35:38 GMT
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Not all dealers prescribe to this pricing system but they are out there. Always shop around before making any buying decisions. ….Who remembers all the full-page and multi-page magazine ads with columns of product? And the hottest of products had "CALL" instead of a specific price, since the ad deadline for print magazines obsoleted any price that would have been listed. Fond memories for sure!!!! I remember that and how frustrating it was when I was spending limited dollars back then. Luckily I had Nicholas Smith nearby to see for myself.
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Post by trainman9 on Oct 26, 2024 13:52:24 GMT
If I remember correctly the “call” dealers were from NY. There was also a dealer in Southern NJ who used to hold back hot items until the demand allowed for higher prices. Those days are pretty much over except for a very few items. I think the BTO situation feeds into the price gouging.
Lately, I’ve seen some of the special run items show up on the secondary market at discount prices. Maybe just an indicator of buyers remorse.
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Post by af3020 on Oct 26, 2024 16:11:37 GMT
hobby supposed to be fun? ? ? Well, yeah it can be F.U.N. Frustrating, Upsetting, Nonfulfilling....but then again it can be Fantastic, Uplifting, Nirvana ...which it is depends on the time of day and the phases of the Moon...or so I'm told. |
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Post by david1 on Oct 26, 2024 18:02:26 GMT
I never got into the pricing wars, if I didn't buy them when it first came out. But wanted It later and the price was double or more I just forgot it. I would go on to something else.
If you pay the inflated price then you are the problem. Don't feed in to the greed.
There are too many trains on the market that you can buy and enjoy.
Dave
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Post by runamuckchuck on Oct 26, 2024 19:01:11 GMT
Well this is sobering, and only slightly off the OP. As I searched for Lionel milk cars one dealer had two identical appearing NYC milk cars except of the car number and the product number. One was $39.00 the other was $79.00 after discount. The only difference was that one was made in 2003, the other was 2016. Yikes! 13 years, $40.00. If only my value increased at that rate over the years. Madockawando don't you dare adjust the price for inflation!  |
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Post by rockymountaineer on Oct 26, 2024 19:02:37 GMT
... They were my first choice behind the F19 but as you pointed out they a scarce and expensive when they do show up. Speaking of the F-19 Pacifics, I think the BTO pre-order phenomenon is already starting with the Christmas and Halloween models. Lionel's webstore is "sold out". And on a related note, the Vision Halloween Triplex is all but gone at many stores now.
Trainworld recently sold out of the Christmas F-19 and currently has the Halloween model at $1,600... That's $300 OVER Lionel's MSRP. Charles Ro is also sold-out of the Christmas F-19, but still has the Halloween model at their pre-order discount ($1170). That's why I like Charles Ro... they usually sell product at their regular prices until they're sold-out. No pricing games that Trainworld is known for doing.
Once these locos actually ship, I expect some "real" pricing shenanigans will begin from the usually dealers and eBay sellers who play games... especially with the Christmas model due in now BEFORE Christmastime.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Oct 26, 2024 19:05:50 GMT
... They were my first choice behind the F19 but as you pointed out they a scarce and expensive when they do show up. Speaking of the F-19 Pacifics, I think the BTO pre-order phenomenon is already starting with the Christmas and Halloween models. Lionel's webstore is "sold out". Trainworld recently sold out of the Christmas F-19 and currently has the Halloween model at MSRP... no more pre-order discount. Charles Ro is also sold-out of the Christmas F-19, but still has the Halloween model at their pre-order discount ($1170). That's why I like Charles Ro... they usually sell product at their regular prices until they're sold-out. No pricing games.
Once these locos actually ship, I expect some "real" pricing shenanigans will begin from the usually dealers and eBay sellers who play games... especially with the Christmas model due in now BEFORE Christmastime. Bah Humbug!
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However, I wasn't looking for the complete set.
