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Post by curtis on Sept 12, 2024 18:42:32 GMT
I have a MTH RTR Set from 2002 (30-4085-0). The engine, 30-1244-1, is a UP 2-8-0 Cab #1757. When it does move it has scratchy sounds and stops and goes while trying to run. Since it is 2002 I figured it was a battery issue. I opened it very carefully and found NO Battery. So, I opened the Tender and discovered no battery there either. There is a Pot on the bottom of the tender to turn the volume down and a switch for smoke on or off. Is there or is there no a battery in this unit? If yes, Where? I figured this is a 5 volt board but can not see a charger port anywhere either. Another JD Diesel set from that 2002 has a round charging port so I am totally confused. Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by trainman9 on Sept 15, 2024 20:59:22 GMT
You might want to post this on the main board.
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Post by curtis on Sept 16, 2024 2:11:43 GMT
Posted here due to it dealing with DCS. I have the feeling if I posted to main board it would be moved to here hence why I posted here.
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Post by healey36 on Sept 16, 2024 16:59:06 GMT
I think the "-0" suffix on the set number might indicate this is not equipped with Protosound or DCS-capable. Digging around in the MTH archives indicates this set is equipped with loco-sound.
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Post by 4dogsinjersey on Sept 16, 2024 18:20:45 GMT
Your engine is a PS2/5v. You need a working battery to operate the sounds. It should be in the tender, in a battery holder.  The manual can be viewed here… mthtrains.com/sites/default/files/download/instruction/33st10709i.pdfBeing a PS2/5v system, look for a battery connection in that area. You need a rechargeable battery or a BRC in that place. The 5 volt systems are also prone to sudden catastrophic failures due to bad capacitors, but it doesn’t sound like you have that issue. Tom |
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Post by curtis on Sept 21, 2024 1:32:52 GMT
Well I opened it up. NO BATTERY! This I found out, is a LocoSound locomotive. The engine will run but only if you set it down on a powered track. AND then it wants to go full bore. So the original 4 button RTR remote (DCS Remote Commander) will not run this engine which it should. Now I am really confused. I was told it will only work with the remote commander and not an explorer (I tired and it does not). Any suggestions? I am not familiar with Loco Sound locomotives. Definitely no battery or charging port.
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Post by healey36 on Sept 21, 2024 1:51:08 GMT
Like I said earlier, your loco is Loco-Sound equipped. It has no battery. As far as I know, it runs conventionally only. I run mine using an MTH power pack (Z-750 or Z-1000) or a postwar Lionel pack (LW).
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Post by 4dogsinjersey on Sept 21, 2024 2:04:40 GMT
Like I said earlier, your loco is Loco-Sound equipped. It has no battery. As far as I know, it runs conventionally only. I run mine using an MTH power pack (Z-750 or Z-1000) or a postwar Lionel pack (LW). I stand corrected. Initially, the engine model number took me to the PS equipped unit. I just followed up and used the given set number to search the exploded parts area on the MTH website. The engine product number does have a “1” at the end of the engine model number, while the set number has a “0” at the end of the set number. It does, indeed, show that there is no battery or place for a battery in the model. You can see the entire (but sparse) electrical system here… www.mthpartsandsales.com/shop/lists/105?type=listsSorry for the mixup… Tom
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Post by healey36 on Sept 21, 2024 2:38:45 GMT
MTH’s numbering is confusing, I’ll be the first to agree on that. On the tinplate side, any loco with a “-0” suffix is conventional only, equipped with MTH’s version of the open-frame motor. In this case, while not tinplate, the set number and loco number are inconsistent.
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Post by curtis on Sept 21, 2024 23:21:44 GMT
Like I said earlier, your loco is Loco-Sound equipped. It has no battery. As far as I know, it runs conventionally only. I run mine using an MTH power pack (Z-750 or Z-1000) or a postwar Lionel pack (LW). Yes I understand that and I did check and agree. My current question though is It MUST have other than conventional capabilities as it came with the older remote commander in a set. As I said I was told it will NOT work with an explorer. BUT since an older remote commander (4 button remote) came with it and the Z750 that came with it plugs into the infrared track power adapter that means it has to have 18 volt on the track. You would then use the remote to speed it up or slow it down along with the whistle and the bell activation. That means it is running NOT in conventional mode. Now since the engine takes off (when the explorer is used and it is placed on the track after turning the power on) it leads me to believe the motor is good and the board. I am not so sure about the board as I am NOT familiar with Loco-Sound equipped locomotives. I guess my question is, is this a bad board that does not receive the signal? The track power adapter does blink letting me know that the command issued from the remote was received. If the engine didn't take off when placed on the track after power up I would say bad board for sure.
Curtis
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Post by healey36 on Sept 22, 2024 1:00:26 GMT
I don’t see how a DCS remote commander can work with this loco, Curtis, not being equipped with any form of ProtoSound, but what do I know. What does the “remote commander” look like that came with the set. I’m guessing it’s just an infrared remote controller that replaces the dial-type controller that comes with standalone Z-750. Kinda tough to tell...might this be the remote and similar-looking lock-on that came with the set (this is an illuminated lock-on, but the infrared version looks near identical):  |
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Post by healey36 on Sept 22, 2024 1:33:49 GMT
I would try this. Before putting the loco on the track, connect the pack to the infrared lock-on, then use the four-button controller to cycle the throttle down. Once you’ve done that, put the loco on the track and hopefully it won’t take off like a banshee.
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Post by curtis on Sept 22, 2024 16:20:32 GMT
I don’t see how a DCS remote commander can work with this loco, Curtis, not being equipped with any form of ProtoSound, but what do I know. What does the “remote commander” look like that came with the set. I’m guessing it’s just an infrared remote controller that replaces the dial-type controller that comes with standalone Z-750. Kinda tough to tell...might this be the remote and similar-looking lock-on that came with the set (this is an illuminated lock-on, but the infrared version looks near identical): that is the remote and as I stated the set is 30-4085-0, delivered in August of 2002. The remote points to a receiver that is connected to the lighted lock-in. The receiver has a small light on top besides the receiver infrared. That small light will blink green when keys on the remote are pressed (you have to make sure you point the remote at the receiver with NO OBSTACLES in the line of the beam. Here is link to receiver but take notice it has the NEWER remote. mthtrains.com/50-1033
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Post by healey36 on Sept 22, 2024 17:02:03 GMT
I think we're talking the same thing, I'm just too dense to follow. Why your loco doesn't respond to throttle control using the remote is a mystery. Sometime when I have time, I'll pull out some track, the lock-on, and the remote, and see if I can replicate your problem.
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