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Post by rockymountaineer on Sept 2, 2024 21:02:09 GMT
Then check out a custom NYC Pacemaker red paint job Mr. Muffin's Trains is offering on the ill-fated Lionel Legacy NYC Dreyfuss released several months ago.
The paint finish that Lionel's factory delivered on most of its Dreyfuss models was a gosh-awful solid primer gray paint scheme that was nowhere near the catalog illustration. So Steve is having Harry Hieke bring these ugly models back to life in a "what if" fantasy paint-scheme. I already have a "red train", so this isn't for me. But I thought I'd pass along the information. The custom NYC Pacemaker red model (see the image below from Steve's email) is reportedly being painted on request, until supplies of the original Lionel SKU #2331420 are exhausted. Quite a creative way to correct Lionel's mistake, IMHO.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 2, 2024 21:12:44 GMT
Maybe Mr. Muffin should consider Christmas, or Halloween paint options. In keeping with the Lionel Trippy Trolley how about tie dye or paisley?
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Post by david1 on Sept 2, 2024 22:33:31 GMT
It looks nice enough but it looks dull and uninteresting which is hard to do with a Dreyfus hudson.
I wish Mr Muffin good luck but fantasy schemes need to pop. This does not!!
Dave
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Post by harmonyards on Sept 3, 2024 0:47:56 GMT
Being a NYC nutcase, I’ve done extensive research about the coloring of the 20TH CENTURY LIMITED. I’m fortunate to have a an old timer DuPont rep in my corner, and we’ve worked extensively on getting the color correct. My graphics guy is working on a one shot solution for striping, ( again, doing it 100% correct ) When that perfect storm cumulates, I’ll be repainting several whole sets for clients already in the queue, ……I promise, no red paint will be used in the making of these train sets,…. |
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Post by JDaddy on Sept 3, 2024 0:57:32 GMT
If the locomotive was around 900 dollars, I would consider it, but then all the cars in the set have to be repainted too. Nah not me. Best to hope they get it right on the next release.
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Post by rockymountaineer on Sept 3, 2024 1:15:06 GMT
It looks nice enough but it looks dull and uninteresting which is hard to do with a Dreyfus hudson. I wish Mr Muffin good luck but fantasy schemes need to pop. This does not!! Dave Gotta agree with you on that. Although a bit of an eye-catcher at first glimpse, it falls short of the magnificent job Lionel's factory did for the Pat's Trains custom-run in the high-gloss Black Bonnet paint scheme. Talk about "pop", here ya go...
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Post by rockymountaineer on Sept 3, 2024 1:22:56 GMT
Being a NYC nutcase, I’ve done extensive research about the coloring of the 20TH CENTURY LIMITED. I’m fortunate to have a an old timer DuPont rep in my corner, and we’ve worked extensively on getting the color correct. …. Excellent work, Pat. It's just too bad enthusiasts need to pay YOU to fix Lionel's error. Seeing what you've shown in your pictures, Lionel should have paid you to get the color right for their customers.
I really can't understand WHY Lionel can't get these colors right. And their absolute silence when these issues crop up leads us to wonder who exactly is dropping the ball, since it seems to happen so often. Is Lionel trying to produce too many products? And they just don't care? Or does the factory screw up after production samples are approved, and Lionel doesn't hold them to the letter of the contract?
OTOH, then we have the mysterious "deco error" on the F-19's, where ALL the F-19's -- even those not affected by the "deco error" -- have reportedly been returned to the factor for whatever correction needs to be done on a subset of the models returned. Just mind-boggling.
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Post by harmonyards on Sept 3, 2024 9:54:22 GMT
Sadly, there were several of us that offered to help Lionel, but our efforts fell on deaf ears. It struck me as odd how Lionel’s art dept. touted their work on the Carolina Aberdeen & Western diesels, and showed one of the clubs the research they had done, how they stayed in close contact with overseas vendors regarding color, and yet got the Dreyfuss so far off the mark it’s sinful…….When MTH released their Dreyfuss, they did contact me to at least have a conversation about the colors. In the end, we agreed that the 2015 run colors were pretty accurate, and that’s what they went with………but it shows MTH is at least open to dialogue about doing it right ……..
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Post by superwarp1 on Sept 3, 2024 11:05:39 GMT
Sadly, there were several of us that offered to help Lionel, but our efforts fell on deaf ears. It struck me as odd how Lionel’s art dept. touted their work on the Carolina Aberdeen & Western diesels, and showed one of the clubs the research they had done, how they stayed in close contact with overseas vendors regarding color, and yet got the Dreyfuss so far off the mark it’s sinful…….When MTH released their Dreyfuss, they did contact me to at least have a conversation about the colors. In the end, we agreed that the 2015 run colors were pretty accurate, and that’s what they went with………but it shows MTH is at least open to dialogue about doing it right …….. Sad Lionel is that way but not surprised.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 3, 2024 11:50:27 GMT
This topic was one of the issues that got me excommunicated from elsewhere. I will not go down this rabbit hole again, but I agree with the preceding sentiments.
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Post by JDaddy on Sept 4, 2024 17:41:40 GMT
Sadly, there were several of us that offered to help Lionel, but our efforts fell on deaf ears. It struck me as odd how Lionel’s art dept. touted their work on the Carolina Aberdeen & Western diesels, and showed one of the clubs the research they had done, how they stayed in close contact with overseas vendors regarding color, and yet got the Dreyfuss so far off the mark it’s sinful…….When MTH released their Dreyfuss, they did contact me to at least have a conversation about the colors. In the end, we agreed that the 2015 run colors were pretty accurate, and that’s what they went with………but it shows MTH is at least open to dialogue about doing it right …….. Actually I am convinced this is a strategy that Lionel enforces on consumers so previous releases cannot be mixed and matched. The colors are strategically changed so you cannot use previous passenger car releases with new engines, thus selling more sets. This has obviously backfired on the Dreyfuss set. Case in point - NOBODY knows what color the new Hiawatha set will be made in, but I can almost bet an ice cold beer that they WILL NOT match the previously released TMCC Hiawatha set released in 2004. How many UP engines or passenger sets do you have that the yellow is different. My last BTO was the Lionel UP A-A E-6's. They came in BANANA YELLOW! with high gloss black trucks. I sold them for a loss and said yep that's it. I will wait until I see them.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 4, 2024 18:10:02 GMT
It looks nice enough but it looks dull and uninteresting which is hard to do with a Dreyfus hudson. I wish Mr Muffin good luck but fantasy schemes need to pop. This does not!! Dave Perhaps it is the lighting. Otherwise it would seem to have been a satin/matte finish which shows fewer flaws but lacks a certain zip compared to gloss as you said.
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Post by superwarp1 on Sept 4, 2024 18:11:59 GMT
Sadly, there were several of us that offered to help Lionel, but our efforts fell on deaf ears. It struck me as odd how Lionel’s art dept. touted their work on the Carolina Aberdeen & Western diesels, and showed one of the clubs the research they had done, how they stayed in close contact with overseas vendors regarding color, and yet got the Dreyfuss so far off the mark it’s sinful…….When MTH released their Dreyfuss, they did contact me to at least have a conversation about the colors. In the end, we agreed that the 2015 run colors were pretty accurate, and that’s what they went with………but it shows MTH is at least open to dialogue about doing it right …….. Actually I am convinced this is a strategy that Lionel enforces on consumers so previous releases cannot be mixed and matched. The colors are strategically changed so you cannot use previous passenger car releases with new engines, thus selling more sets. This has obviously backfired on the Dreyfuss set. Case in point - NOBODY knows what color the new Hiawatha set will be made in, but I can almost bet an ice cold beer that they WILL NOT match the previously released TMCC Hiawatha set released in 2004. How many UP engines or passenger sets do you have that the yellow is different. My last BTO was the Lionel UP A-A E-6's. They came in BANANA YELLOW! with high gloss black trucks. I sold them for a loss and said yep that's it. I will wait until I see them. I hadn't thought of that. a underhanded way to increase sales, make sure nothing matches prior releases. As you noted, the Dryfuss hudson was a big blunder. I heard, there was a big exchange of them at York for the MTH version.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Sept 4, 2024 18:16:08 GMT
Tangent Alert
Speaking of our pal Mr. Muffin, I know he does what ifs, but has he done fantasy schemes in any realm but especially Halloween or Christmas? If a Halloween GG-1 is not in the offing, how about a Halloween Dreyfus? Pumpkin/bright orange with a black fin perhaps? Maybe METCA could take up that mantle and run with it to add a bit of artistic pizzaz as is their custom!
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