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Post by rtraincollector on Aug 25, 2024 21:38:44 GMT
Right now it make more sense for Lionel to show up at the Amherst show with lots of younger potential customers then a bunch of old grumpy postwar collectors who have no interest in new trains. 😉
I would only add MPC & Prewar
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Post by Traindiesel! on Aug 26, 2024 4:58:17 GMT
Right now it make more sense for Lionel to show up at the Amherst show with lots of younger potential customers then a bunch of old grumpy postwar collectors who have no interest in new trains. 😉
I would only add MPC & Prewar
Besides, those younger customers/families pushing baby strollers around at a show will take one look at that $125 caboose and keep on walking! Forget about a locomotive. Those younger potential customers won't be able to become customers until they are old, grumpy, toxic potential customers!
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Post by mopac on Aug 26, 2024 16:39:20 GMT
For those that have been to York when Lionel was there did they sell any product to the members or was it just show & tell. How would the dealers that sell Lionel feel about Lionel selling direct to the members?
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Post by eddieg on Aug 26, 2024 20:07:21 GMT
mopac, Lionel never sold anything at the meets.
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Post by redjimmy1955 on Aug 26, 2024 20:22:23 GMT
At the rate of making numerous boo boos and poor quality on several recent notable products...Lionel shouldn't sell anything until they get their quality issues straightened out.
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Post by JDaddy on Aug 26, 2024 23:30:06 GMT
Not dealer buying from other dealers... Dealers buying from other collectors in the other halls, then marking it up and selling on their table, on the first day before it opens at noon. This was not allowed BEFORE the meet. And now the rules just changed last April. That's fine also imo. If the collector is willing to sell it at a lower price to a dealer who ups the price on his table why should I complain. Yes I may of missed out but the dealer is going to make a few extra bucks. Seems to be a win for the collector on selling the item and a win for the dealer who may sell it for a higher price. Nothing wrong with that!!! This will be my 80th straight York and I have seen that happen above more times than I can count. No big deal! Dave Nope not to me... Very unethical!
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Post by tranz4mr on Aug 28, 2024 2:03:54 GMT
Last April Lionel attended the Rocky Mountain Train Show in Denver. The show is run by the Rocky Mountain Division TCA. It has always been open to the public and it’s an all scales train show that draws over 10,000 people. Maybe it’s time to consider a show completely open to the public. Lionel has attended our show continuously for close to 10 years except for the Covid years.
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Post by mopac on Aug 28, 2024 2:35:35 GMT
Since York is a train meet for members only they are exempt from collecting taxes as I recall. If it becomes an open train show. Would the members have to collect taxes on every thing they sell and report it.
How does that work in Colorado.
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Post by tranz4mr on Aug 28, 2024 3:32:36 GMT
RMD TCA has an agreement and tax license with the city. Each TCA table holder adds up their total sales at the end of the show and fills out a sales tax form created by the RMD TCA. Each table holder submits their sales tax form and sales tax payment to our RMD TCA tax volunteer. The taxes are then paid by the RMD TCA directly to the city on the clubs tax license.
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Post by healey36 on Aug 28, 2024 21:38:45 GMT
Kent - Sounds like a sensible solution to the tax reporting/collection/payment conundrum often experienced by small sellers, whether businesses or individuals. Paul R.
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Post by mopac on Aug 28, 2024 22:42:40 GMT
The sales tax in Pennsylvania is 6 percent. The question is would the TCA eastern division and the members approve collecting and paying sales tax to have an open show
We now pay sales tax when we buy trains off of eBay. And the sales tax and shipping really jacks up the price on cheap items. Sometimes the sales tax and shipping is more than the price of the item.
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Post by healey36 on Aug 28, 2024 23:49:55 GMT
I don't think the membership wants an open show. Two or three halls are open to the public now and I don't see those swamped with eager buyers. Throw in the "bandit" meets earlier in the week, and I think there's plenty going on for the public. In some people's minds, a big reason for TCA membership is access to the member halls. Water that down and maybe the membership goes into even steeper decline.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Oct 19, 2024 13:11:09 GMT
Getting back to the OP's original question, it appears that Lionel's strategy is to create 'collectible' special edition rolling stock only available at Comic-Con with graphics that appeal to the attendees and become instant fodder for the flippers on Ebay. With current asking prices of between $250 and $150 and an actual sale of $279 one just has to wonder what the Lionel's marketing strategy is. It has been reported that the response to Lionel at Comic-Con has been favorable. If that favorability meter is based upon demand for these exclusive cars one can see why; profit for the flipper; not a budding or sustained interest in model railroading.
Who knows if this approach will generate a new generation of train enthusiasts or just provide items for the completist collector for their display cabinet, closet, or storage unit.
I would think that beta testing a program in elementary schools/after school centers etc for young children to actually play with starter train sets might be more productive for the intended purpose but that likely lacks the sufficient hip factor.
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Post by rockymountaineer on Oct 19, 2024 14:10:01 GMT
Not only did Lionel and Trainworld not attend York this week... they didn't even ACKNOWLEDGE they weren't attending. During Trainworld TV's live-event this past Monday focused on Lionel's newly announced 125th Anniversary Vision Hudson, no mention was made about York at all... as if it wasn't even happening. But Lionel DID make a quick mention at the end of the live-event that they were gonna be at Comic Con in NYC.
Trainworld ran a 10% discount sale all week (which expired yesterday), and the discount code word was CDS24 -- presumably for Columbus Day Sale 2024. But if I recall correctly... in prior years, they would have had a sale running simultaneous to York dates... and expiring the Sunday/Monday AFTER the York show ended. And the discount code would have been something like YORK2024. But not this year.
Things change... no doubt about it.
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Post by dennym57 on Oct 19, 2024 14:53:38 GMT
Since York is a train meet for members only they are exempt from collecting taxes as I recall. If it becomes an open train show. Would the members have to collect taxes on every thing they sell and report it. How does that work in Colorado. I do believe it is open to the public on Friday and Saturday, but just in the dealer hall. The members halls is strictly members.
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