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Post by rtraincollector on Jun 24, 2024 23:46:37 GMT
Here is the problem, I'm use to just slide the arrow looking piece holding motor in place. They would not move, well closer look I realize the bottom plate had to come off so I could get to the screws holding the arrow looking pieces in place.
And then there is more items to move to get to the battery, but I saw what looked like a BCR so will see how that does for a while. Time to put the engine back on the track for a while:)
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Post by af3020 on Jun 25, 2024 0:34:32 GMT
I think you meant to say it is a pain in the neck but you have a much lower opinion of it.
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Post by rtraincollector on Jun 25, 2024 2:28:37 GMT
Actually decided to be polite, wanted to say some other part of the body
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Post by david1 on Jun 25, 2024 3:39:51 GMT
You should try the MTH premier O gauge triplex. I almost needed a heart transplant after I was done. Never again!!!
Dave
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Post by harborbelt70 on Jun 25, 2024 6:13:46 GMT
You should try the MTH premier O gauge triplex. I almost needed a heart transplant after I was done. Never again!!! Dave Tell me about it. Years ago mine arrived with the smoke unit outlet misaligned with the boiler shell so smoke was coming out underneath it. I worked out that the tender had to be detached to get the shell off because it has a driveshaft to the tender driving wheels from the motor inside the boiler. With no parts diagram it was a case of working out how the driveshaft had been installed in the first place. I got it done eventually but as the same tooling must be used in the forthcoming Lionel VL version of this engine I pity anybody who needs to work on one of them.
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Post by rtraincollector on Jun 25, 2024 11:15:00 GMT
You should try the MTH premier O gauge triplex. I almost needed a heart transplant after I was done. Never again!!! Dave Tell me about it. Years ago mine arrived with the smoke unit outlet misaligned with the boiler shell so smoke was coming out underneath it. I worked out that the tender had to be detached to get the shell off because it has a driveshaft to the tender driving wheels from the motor inside the boiler. With no parts diagram it was a case of working out how the driveshaft had been installed in the first place. I got it done eventually but as the same tooling must be used in the forthcoming Lionel VL version of this engine I pity anybody who needs to work on one of them. Didn't you know they want you to use them till they break down, then throw them away and buy a new one. I honestly believe they make them hard to work on and don't have diagrams for that reason.
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Post by harborbelt70 on Jun 25, 2024 12:16:14 GMT
Tell me about it. Years ago mine arrived with the smoke unit outlet misaligned with the boiler shell so smoke was coming out underneath it. I worked out that the tender had to be detached to get the shell off because it has a driveshaft to the tender driving wheels from the motor inside the boiler. With no parts diagram it was a case of working out how the driveshaft had been installed in the first place. I got it done eventually but as the same tooling must be used in the forthcoming Lionel VL version of this engine I pity anybody who needs to work on one of them. Didn't you know they want you to use them till they break down, then throw them away and buy a new one. I honestly believe they make them hard to work on and don't have diagrams for that reason. Yeah, well that is some customer-friendly policy. I think part of it is that there are people who buy these complicated 3rail models and don't run them more than once if at all, and I don't mean people who collect 2-rail brass although it is a little like what I know some of them do. Now, while I think that at Lionel itself there's some effort made to engineer the models correctly, including in software design, the truth is that they drop the ball pretty often even on high-end VL products and they don't have QC at the factories to prevent nasty assembly mistakes.
The Lionel customer/fan base is too tolerant of this sort of thing and there are people who will go on buying new products from them.
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Post by rtraincollector on Jun 25, 2024 13:35:51 GMT
That is the reason I like I prefer 1969 and older. I do have some modern though.
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Post by david1 on Jun 25, 2024 18:02:02 GMT
Don't get me wrong I still love my Lionel trains though I no longer buy anything past the TMCC era. I consider them to be a better design, better built. I have some engines that are 25+ years old and still run like day one. Of course nothing is perfect and that includes the Tmcc era. There were some that had issues but far fewer than they do now. There are some engines today I really like but I just don't trust them to run for a significant amount of time without issues. But that is just my opinion.
Dave
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Post by rtraincollector on Jun 25, 2024 22:36:28 GMT
Don't get me wrong I still love my Lionel trains though I no longer buy anything past the TMCC era. I consider them to be a better design, better built. I have some engines that are 25+ years old and still run like day one. Of course nothing is perfect and that includes the Tmcc era. There were some that had issues but far fewer than they do now. There are some engines today I really like but I just don't trust them to run for a significant amount of time without issues. But that is just my opinion. Dave I have one engine over 100 years old and still runs as intended. Others just shy of 100. That is why I like the older ones. If I want to run them in a command mode I have 2 TPC-300 and one TPC-400the manual reverse don't reverse obvious by remote but still love them, something about watching something 100 or close to 100 still run as it should is enjoyable to me. I have a Legacy light system to control my TPC's and my TMCC & one legacy engines. One day I will Finally get the carpet down, and track laid permanently, and second level G scale all done, then I will be able to finally work on scenery. But at present I have to many fires going.
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