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Post by rockymountaineer on May 15, 2024 21:44:33 GMT
Maybe it was appropriate to remove but anytime you can condemn that forum you should take the shot. Dave And that is why the OGF isn't as successful as it could be. The reputation of the OGF in the industry is that it's just a place to take shots at OGR Forum. For the OGF to grow and thrive, it needs to stand on it's own 2 feet. The LESS that OGR Forum is mentioned, the better (for OGF). Let's STOP spending time, effort, and energy worrying about what happens on OGR Forum. Ignore it (them). Instead, take that same time, effort, and energy and do something POSITIVE for the hobby. Make a video. Write an article. Take some pictures. Then post these things here on OGF. This OGF would be so much better and membership would grow if it was a more positive environment instead of being seen as just a place to complain about OGR Forum. Stu Stu, all of your points are well-taken. In fact, I even agree with many of them. However, there is no loss of irony in the fact that threads about OGF aren't even allowed on OGR. So there's no equivalence to compare. You yourself know that's the case, when your thread announcing my Lionel Sleighbell Ltd YULETIDE nameplate offering was quickly and summarily deleted over there.
Quite frankly, the entire tattle-tail culture over there that's been fostered to alert moderators of "questionable" posts/threads is pathetic. And I want no part of it. So if those kinds of folks are feeding you their viewpoint of OGF, I don't give a rat's *** what they think. Some of these same people complain to me at train shows about OGR's moderation style, yet they stay on board over there. So now I tell them to save the complaints, until they learn to grow a back-bone and do something about their dissatisfaction. Just leave for gosh sake.
Sorry if that sounds harsh. But I also can't be a hypocrite about how I feel. I'll prefer the open style of communication exchange that we have here on OGF encouraging all viewpoints and topics to be discussed... any day of the week and six ways to Sunday. Members here don't need to "wonder" if what they post is gonna tick-off moderators who woke up on the wrong side of the bed that morning... or who live life so insecurely that they need to keep their membership off-balance by constantly reminding them who's running the show.
Enough said, as I don't think I could make my feelings on the matter any more clear.
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Post by madockawando on May 15, 2024 23:19:36 GMT
I counted it up and there are no more than only one out every three hundred threads that are focused on OHR. That’s hardly an obsession and if anyone is telling you they are leaving here because OGF talks about OGR “too much” well I think they are exaggerating to see the least.
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Post by rtraincollector on May 15, 2024 23:28:56 GMT
And that is why the OGF isn't as successful as it could be. The reputation of the OGF in the industry is that it's just a place to take shots at OGR Forum. For the OGF to grow and thrive, it needs to stand on it's own 2 feet. The LESS that OGR Forum is mentioned, the better (for OGF). Let's STOP spending time, effort, and energy worrying about what happens on OGR Forum. Ignore it (them). Instead, take that same time, effort, and energy and do something POSITIVE for the hobby. Make a video. Write an article. Take some pictures. Then post these things here on OGF. This OGF would be so much better and membership would grow if it was a more positive environment instead of being seen as just a place to complain about OGR Forum. Stu You have some good points Stu but then again you really Dont know me on what happened at that other forum. I was there for 20+ years and had alot of fun. Now, that other forum, they crossed me and for that I will never forgive them. If there is a chance I will rip them time and time again!! Sorry if that upsets some people and yes I go overboard sometimes and most of the time that other forum deserves it. The people who criticize the OGF need to see what is going on over there. Sorry Stu if you think we are hurting the OGF by talking about that other forums leaders. But I can't forgive what they did to me after all those years. Think I hold a grudge? You bet!!!! Dave Dave I hear you loud and clear, I have Feeling similar to your but as a whole I feel it isn't worth my time or efforts, I have enough personal problems to even worry about the. I will tell you this thou, I feel they are holding on by a thread, if they make it a rule ( and they did ) no more refunds, tells me they can't afford to do them, as it would probably put the business into bankruptcy or close to it. Just don't cross one of there buddies even by accident and what you where saying was a broad comment but if there buddy didn't make a big thing about it, no body would even know it was him. But I'm the one who had a item for sale and they changed his wording and some of mine to make me look like I was the attacker.
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Post by madockawando on May 16, 2024 23:33:42 GMT
What does the anchor mean next to the thread title? Where did that come from and what does it mean?
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Post by rtraincollector on May 17, 2024 0:08:12 GMT
What does the anchor mean next to the thread title? Where did that come from and what does it mean? This thread is falling, meaning not many if any are commenting on it.
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Post by rockymountaineer on May 17, 2024 0:59:49 GMT
What does the anchor mean next to the thread title? Where did that come from and what does it mean? This thread is falling, meaning not many if any are commenting on it. Actually I think it’s a judgment call on the part of a moderator — not anything automatic. When a thread is flagged with an anchor, it doesn’t pop to the top of Page 1, when someone makes a new post. The thread simply gets pushed down as new threads are created — regardless of the activity on it. That’s my understanding. But if someone knows differently, please chime in to correct me. |
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Post by madockawando on May 17, 2024 2:28:03 GMT
This thread is falling, meaning not many if any are commenting on it. Actually I think it’s a judgment call on the part of a moderator — not anything automatic. When a thread is flagged with an anchor, it doesn’t pop to the top of Page 1, when someone makes a new post. The thread simply gets pushed down as new threads are created — regardless of the activity on it. That’s my understanding. But if someone knows differently, please chime in to correct me. I suspected that. It’s kind of a soft censorship then. |
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Post by Traindiesel! on May 17, 2024 9:02:50 GMT
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Post by Country Joe on May 17, 2024 12:09:45 GMT
This thread is falling, meaning not many if any are commenting on it. Actually I think it’s a judgment call on the part of a moderator — not anything automatic. When a thread is flagged with an anchor, it doesn’t pop to the top of Page 1, when someone makes a new post. The thread simply gets pushed down as new threads are created — regardless of the activity on it. That’s my understanding. But if someone knows differently, please chime in to correct me. David is right. Members can still comment but this thread will keep falling as other threads have new posts. I made this and the other thread with a lot of OGR comments into falling threads. IMHO it’s better if we focus on the OGF and let that other forum go its own way.
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Post by madockawando on May 19, 2024 11:03:46 GMT
Actually I think it’s a judgment call on the part of a moderator — not anything automatic. When a thread is flagged with an anchor, it doesn’t pop to the top of Page 1, when someone makes a new post. The thread simply gets pushed down as new threads are created — regardless of the activity on it. That’s my understanding. But if someone knows differently, please chime in to correct me. David is right. Members can still comment but this thread will keep falling as other threads have new posts. I made this and the other thread with a lot of OGR comments into falling threads. IMHO it’s better if we focus on the OGF and let that other forum go its own way. Given the very small number of OGR posts, why would you fell this is necessary? What not just let it fad back on its own? And given that a number of people here have been wronged by OGR is it really a problem that people vent here once in a while? I don’t see why the anchor was necessary, and it seems to be a form of soft censorship. |
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Post by Country Joe on May 19, 2024 18:06:19 GMT
David is right. Members can still comment but this thread will keep falling as other threads have new posts. I made this and the other thread with a lot of OGR comments into falling threads. IMHO it’s better if we focus on the OGF and let that other forum go its own way. Given the very small number of OGR posts, why would you fell this is necessary? What not just let it fad back on its own? And given that a number of people here have been wronged by OGR is it really a problem that people vent here once in a while? I don’t see why the anchor was necessary, and it seems to be a form of soft censorship. Making this a falling thread is not a form of censorship. Everyone has been able to express themselves. No posts have been deleted and the thread is not locked. It will just fall off the first page and keep falling. I made this a falling thread for a few reasons. First, everyone interested in commenting has done so. There is nothing to be gained by keeping it going. Second, it doesn’t look good to guests that we periodically complain about the OGR forum. If I was a guest thinking of joining a train forum a thread like this one would be a turn off. I join a forum to talk about trains, not how bad another forum is. Third, when we left the MTF and started the OGF many members there bashed us and our new forum. It didn’t change anything we did but didn’t look good for the MTF. Fourth, bashing OGR every few months gives the impression that we are obsessed with that operation, that we somehow feel inferior to the OGR and need to run it down to feel better about ourselves. I’m sure there will be another OGR thread in a few months and we’ll let everyone have their say but as I said above, it looks very bad for us. The way they treated you and others is shameful and wrong but discussing it over and over again accomplishes nothing. Let’s talk trains, layouts and other stuff and let the OGR worry about itself.
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