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Post by madockawando on May 3, 2024 2:01:42 GMT
Folks,
Here are the REGISTRATION numbers for the York Meet over the past 12 or so years -- directly from the EDTCA York website wrap-up page. Attendance would be an altogether different animal, as I don't believe there's any way to verify whether members who registered actually attended (since badges aren't scanned):
April 2022 - 7,489
October 2021 - 9,864
October 2019 - 9,207
April 2019 - 8,459
October 2018 - 8,510
April 2018 - 10,144
October 2017 - 10,185
April 2017 - 10,686
October 2016 - 10,924
April 2016 - 11,319
October 2015 - 12,073
April 2015 - 10,987
October 2014 - 12,355
April 2014 - 12,225
October 2013 - 13,523
April 2013 - 12,703
October 2012 - 13,713
April 2012 - 13,403
October 2011 - 13,608
I think Clem’s York Primer has attendance for 2023 as well.
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Post by Traindiesel! on May 3, 2024 6:03:30 GMT
NUTS! That reminds me that I forgot to go to the Silver Hall on Saturday before I left to register for October's Meet. Too busy with last minute shopping! I'll have to do it online when it's available this summer. I already can't wait for October's Meet!! I don't want to rush the summer, too much fun to be had including rebuilding my layout after the roof leak during our January atmospheric rivers. The roofers finished up today.
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Post by superwarp1 on May 3, 2024 12:08:09 GMT
Folks,
Here are the REGISTRATION numbers for the York Meet over the past 12 or so years -- directly from the EDTCA York website wrap-up page. Attendance would be an altogether different animal, as I don't believe there's any way to verify whether members who registered actually attended (since badges aren't scanned):
April 2022 - 7,489
October 2021 - 9,864 I think Clem’s York Primer has attendance for 2023 as well. Hmmmm
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Post by madockawando on May 3, 2024 15:02:25 GMT
I think Clem’s York Primer has attendance for 2023 as well. Hmmmm October 2022 Total Registrations - 7,450 April, 2023 Total Registrations ~ 7,200: October, 2023 Total Registrations: ~ 7,370 It looks like the numbers have stabilized at just north of 7,000 However, it is a 50% drop off since the peak attendance of York Apr `08 Total Registrations 14,567So people who say that their are less people at York aren't imagining things
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Post by robert on May 3, 2024 15:14:43 GMT
How many older members have pasted away since April 2008?
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Post by dennym57 on May 3, 2024 15:17:29 GMT
Hopefully I'll be there in October. By then my wife will be good and tired of me.😁
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Post by Traindiesel! on May 3, 2024 19:04:42 GMT
October 2022 Total Registrations - 7,450 April, 2023 Total Registrations ~ 7,200: October, 2023 Total Registrations: ~ 7,370 It looks like the numbers have stabilized at just north of 7,000 However, it is a 50% drop off since the peak attendance of York Apr `08 Total Registrations 14,567So people who say that their are less people at York aren't imagining things Here’s the thing, the current and recent attendance numbers are still 50% of the membership showing up to the Meet. Just as it was when 14,000 members were attending. The TCA just needs more members. If they turn it into a complete public Meet then there’s not as much incentive to join TCA. It’s quite the dilemma. The non member attendance hasn’t been overwhelming either.
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Post by madockawando on May 3, 2024 19:39:40 GMT
October 2022 Total Registrations - 7,450 April, 2023 Total Registrations ~ 7,200: October, 2023 Total Registrations: ~ 7,370 It looks like the numbers have stabilized at just north of 7,000 However, it is a 50% drop off since the peak attendance of York Apr `08 Total Registrations 14,567So people who say that their are less people at York aren't imagining things Here’s the thing, the current and recent attendance numbers are still 50% of the membership showing up to the Meet. Just as it was when 14,000 members were attending. The TCA just needs more members. If they turn it into a complete public Meet then there’s not as much incentive to join TCA. It’s quite the dilemma. The non member attendance hasn’t been overwhelming either. Oh oh, are you saying that TCA membership is down to around 14,000? Remember when the TCA would put their membership thermometer in the TCA newsletter? That’s gone… I think that it was when they had around 30,000 members.
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Post by Traindiesel! on May 3, 2024 20:28:00 GMT
Here’s the thing, the current and recent attendance numbers are still 50% of the membership showing up to the Meet. Just as it was when 14,000 members were attending. The TCA just needs more members. If they turn it into a complete public Meet then there’s not as much incentive to join TCA. It’s quite the dilemma. The non member attendance hasn’t been overwhelming either. Oh oh, are you saying that TCA membership is down to around 14,000? Remember when the TCA would put their membership thermometer in the TCA newsletter? That’s gone… I think that it was when they had around 30,000 members. Correct! But this issue isn’t unique to the TCA. Just about every hobby organization is experiencing the same problem. I don’t think there is less interest in model trains. The TCA Eastern Division York Meet is a different animal than typical train shows. It’s run by its members for its members. No matter the attendance numbers it’ll continue because of that.
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Post by dlagrua on May 4, 2024 16:21:36 GMT
The attendance for spring York 2024 was posted at about 5600. Thats a significant drop of about 29% in just one year. I do not see TCA membership rising. There are many reasons for this; smaller hobby audience, high cost of attendance, restricted admission, location away from the large cities, demographics of those in the hobby etc etc. However, if we compare this to Allentown; their numbers are still very strong. If you get there early on Saturday its so crowded that you can barely move. Granted its a smaller event with two halls and Sundays always had light numbers but the 2000 attendance number is still holding (based on info provided by a previous owner). ATMA doesn't post attendance but they have said the show attracts 5000. Could this be? Why has ATMA remained strong? I would guess that public admission, only $10 gets you in the door, much of the crowd gets there on a few gallons of gasoline, and an hours drive. Sometimes it boils down to location, location, location. I attend for the low cost, the short drive and for the 2 for 1 attraction. If I don't find any trains to purchase I just go to the huge Farmers market there on the fairgrounds (separate from the AG Halls) and return home with a trunk of good food. You can find, Amish, Italian, Vietnamese, Mexican, Middle Eastern,gourmet takeout meals and cheese, meats, poultry and bakery items. I do not mean to say that York is dying, it is not but it IS contracting. Just look at the numbers.
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Post by david1 on May 4, 2024 20:53:44 GMT
York is not dying but the people who used to attend are dying!!
The car clubs in my are area really dying, they can't get enough cars or guys to join their clubs or put on shows. We used to have 6-7 shows in our area during the summer this year so far 0 are scheduled.
Dave
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Post by Traindiesel! on May 5, 2024 1:18:53 GMT
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Post by mrmeep on May 5, 2024 4:28:07 GMT
Several factors also affect train meet attendance like York.
Especially York this year.
1. The calendar shifted/reset so people hadn't gotten their taxes done and gotten their refunds to spend at York. This will, as in the past, eventually correct itself over time again.
2. The economy in general is in the dumpster (remember in November!) So people have less "discretionary money" to spend on luxuries.
3. Train prices (new ones) have increased DRASTICALLY! even outpacing the out-of-control inflation brought upon us.
4. Easter/Spring Break did not coincide with York (see item #1) so families couldn't attend York conveniently, thus dropping attendance of Family Members and purchases/interest by younger people. Parents didn't want to take their children out of school and miss work.
5. Many layouts and operating clubs were absent, thus less attendance to see them. Both the children and the public, in general, want to see these and they are EXCELLENT recruiting tools for both TCA and the hobby. Remember the other "modular clubs" and "Lego Layouts"? Where are they?
6. Most manufacturers no longer exhibit at York so less people to see new product offerings in the flesh and maybe place orders/spend money.
7. Interest by TCA with "Trains for Kids" seems to be on the wane again, so noticeable lack of younger people at York. This needs to be addressed not only for York, but the very survival of the TCA and the hobby itself.
8. Fuel, travel, lodging and food costs have shot through the roof (see item #2) and (remember in November!) so people are not traveling like they used to.
9. And sadly, members are aging out, moving on and passing on. Witness some of the "greats" like Tony Lash and his huge magnificent collection. We need to recruit harder for new/replacement members.
The above are readily observable items that are affecting not only York but the hobby in general. And there are other more personal reasons like health and mobility problems of members who are still around but no longer able to travel.
Just some thoughts on the subject, not criticism.
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Post by atsda on May 6, 2024 14:02:05 GMT
mrmeep, excellent analysis. Alfred (Question: What percentage of the vendors have an online presence? If items can be sold at a discount, and special items - not available not online, then this may help.)
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Post by atsda on May 6, 2024 14:10:20 GMT
Post by Traindiesel! on May 3, 2024 at 2:03am “… don't want to rush the summer, too much fun to be had including rebuilding my layout after the roof leak during our January atmospheric rivers. The roofers finished up today.”
Brian, sorry to hear about the water problem. I hope that there was not much damage, and that the layout is put together quickly. Alfred
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