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Post by oace on Mar 3, 2024 16:35:19 GMT
Hello Guys ! I am not sure to post my inquiry at the right OGF place, but... I am planning to acquire a nice LIONEL model 2065 locomotive plus 6026W whistle tender, just like this one below  :  But which passenger cars would be "era / period-correct" for an association with this locomotive ?  Oh, I must confess that I very fond of those silver style of cars... For a "black-and-silver matching"  :  I think that you - US Guys Train Afficionados - are in the best position to advise me...  Thanks in advance for your help !  OACE |
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Post by david1 on Mar 3, 2024 17:08:24 GMT
Those silver aluminium cars would go great but if your looking for something older maybe some Madison type cars from Lionel or mth.
There are tons of passenger cars out there that would go with that 2065. It all depends what you like. I have a 2065 and I use the Madison type.
Dave
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Post by harborbelt70 on Mar 3, 2024 17:17:39 GMT
Well, it's your railroad and you can have exactly what you prefer - I do see your point about black and silver. But if you want passenger cars that are strictly contemporary with the ALCO-built 4-6-4 Hudson prototype (1927 onwards I believe) or the era when Lionel built this model (starting early-mid-1950s) I think that you are looking mainly at heavyweight, non-scale cars. This is a useful resource for the background:
locomotive.fandom.com/wiki/4-6-4#United_States.
As it notes, Hudsons were primarily passenger train locos and were phased out in favor of diesel power at a relatively early stage, but were used not just by NYC and other Eastern railroads but Midwest and Western ones as well, including AT&SF.
I really think that you can have whatever you like including cars from the streamliner era, of which there were many produced by Lionel and MTH in 15" (or 18") lengths that would probably match the actual size of the 2065 set. In the 1950s I am sure there were no Lionel passenger cars with interiors and figures but silhouettes instead. Personally I have zero interest in such cars and would pair your set with something much later that will do justice to it!
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Post by af3020 on Mar 3, 2024 19:13:56 GMT
If you are considering trying to recreate the Lionel passenger car set associated with the 2065 you would want to use the smaller Lionel 0-27 passenger cars as shown in the middle set.  |
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Post by oace on Mar 3, 2024 20:50:40 GMT
Thank you Guys ! I knew that I could count on your knowledge... So I saw this nice set of 4 aluminium cars and, by reading you, it could be a cool addition to a 2065 + 6026W : What do you think about it ?  There's also this one, a 6 car set, more recent I think and costier :  Yes harborbelt70 : this set has no figurines inside but silhouettes, but I must confess that I rather like it ! OACE |
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Post by harborbelt70 on Mar 3, 2024 20:55:11 GMT
Yes harborbelt70 : this set has no figurines inside but silhouettes, but I must confess that I rather like it !
OACE
I like the name of the observation car - Silver Rail! (It's part of the lyrics of a song I know.)
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Post by oace on Mar 4, 2024 0:54:21 GMT
Those silver aluminium cars would go great but if your looking for something older maybe some Madison type cars from Lionel or mth. There are tons of passenger cars out there that would go with that 2065. It all depends what you like. I have a 2065 and I use the Madison type. Dave Well, I made a search and found this - which I suppose that these are the Madison cars you speak about :  I read somewhere that these Madison cars were used from 1910 to 1950, while the silver (alu or SS ?) cars appeared in 1930. Correct ? OACE
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Post by harborbelt70 on Mar 4, 2024 16:05:53 GMT
Those silver aluminium cars would go great but if your looking for something older maybe some Madison type cars from Lionel or mth. There are tons of passenger cars out there that would go with that 2065. It all depends what you like. I have a 2065 and I use the Madison type. Dave Well, I made a search and found this - which I suppose that these are the Madison cars you speak about . . . I read somewhere that these Madison cars were used from 1910 to 1950, while the silver (alu or SS ?) cars appeared in 1930. Correct ?
OACE
Heavyweight refers to older passenger cars built before the late 30's. The were usually of rivited steel construction with 6 wheel trucks(not always) and large clerestory or arch roofs that tapered or curved at the ends.
Lightweight cars are usually built after the late 30's, many times were sheathed in welded steel or stainless steel, had 4 wheel trucks and the roof was usually a lower arch that did not have a taper at the end. These cars were built with A/C and were considered very modern in the 40's and 50's.
Some railroads 'rebuilt' older cars with new low profile roofs, thermopane windows, and flashy paint schemes to match the newer lightweights. When Amtrak picked up intercity passenger service in 1971, they only purchased newer lightweight cars from the rosters of the existing American railroads.
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Basically, "heavyweight" passenger cars weigh around 1 ton per foot of length. So a 85' car weighs in the area of 85 tons for a heavyweight car.
A "lightweight" car uses more modern construction materials (like Cor-Ten steel, or Stainless steel, etc.) that is lighter, stronger and more resistant to rust. The New Haven's first lightweight cars weighed arond 60 tons each for an 85' car, a significant savings in dead weight that RR's didn't have to pay to haul around.
As these new materials came about when the new streamlined fashion did, almost all lightweight cars are streamlined, featuring stainless steel or smooth sides that minimized wind resistance (and looked snazzy, too).
As is obvious, I much prefer "snazzy" and shiny to older car types.
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Post by Sir James on Mar 4, 2024 16:20:25 GMT
Almost all passenger sets with that size engine came with the 2400 series cars.
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Post by atsda on Mar 4, 2024 18:45:31 GMT
oace, In selecting passenger cars for your 2056 (nice acquisition), you can go with the 2400 series which was part of the set, or choose cars that you like. I am partial to aluminum finish cars for steam service, while others like the colored cars. For that loco, the 11 ½ length cars would work well. In any case, it is your railroad. Alfred
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Post by oace on Mar 4, 2024 23:15:41 GMT
Thank you Guy for sharing your knowledge ! Yes harborbelt70 : that's what I prefer too, for the Look... Even if it is not really - nor exactly - "period" or "set-correct", I agree. The 2500 series look is much pleasant to my eyes...  ... Than the look of the 2400 series :  And this nice set below, with an aluminium-made body,come quite close to that 2500 series pictured above : OACE |
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