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Post by g3750 on Mar 7, 2024 1:09:39 GMT
Dear Mr. Fantasy make us a train Something to make us all happy Do anything, take us out of this gloom Make some freight, or some steam, make it snappy
You are the one who can make us all smile But not doing that you break out in tears Please don't be sad if we don’t buy what you had We wouldn't have known you all these years
Dear Mr. Fantasy make us a train Something to make us all happy Do anything, take us out of this gloom Make some freight, or some steam, make it snappy Yeah, yeah, yeah
Apologies to Traffic. Brian, careful you don't set anything on fire with that low spark...
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Post by mrmeep on Mar 7, 2024 3:31:49 GMT
You guys must not remember Richard Kughn's first few years...everything (locos) was a grand or more, and that was the late 1980s. Adjusted for inflation, maybe the new Lionel production is a bargain It was Richard Kughn who really started the downfall of Lionel with some of his antics and attitude towards the model railroad hobbyist. He immediately put an end to 3rd party parts suppliers with his "cease and desist" litigations, he raised the prices of Lionel products and lowered quality control all in the name of profit (that was NOT put into improving the product or service). Even the purchasing and liquidation of Madison Hardware (he wanted to own all of that for himself, not to continue the Shur Brothers long standing tradition of supporting Lionelers). And, sadly, after all of those shenanigans, he found that the old addage I saw at York years ago on a truck up there, "He who dies with the most toys ... still dies." We will ALL eventually pass on, so we need to make sure that the traditions and hobby continues on after us. We need to NOT be greedy! ( Are you listening, Lionel, MTH and other major producers?) Menard's seems to be putting the right effort into making the hobby grow, making a decent profit and making a good, affordable product and backing it with decent service. That will go far in continuing the hobby, getting newer members into it with affordable, attractive products that are also durable, detailed and will last for generations of "playing with" as well as "looking at". Williams/Bachmann is still affordable, well detailed and durable compared to the major producers and are somewhat (the older model runs are VERY) repairable and rebuildable and are just as nice (and in some instances nicer) as the major manufacturers.
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Post by Traindiesel! on Mar 7, 2024 7:03:21 GMT
Dear Mr. Fantasy make us a train Something to make us all happy Do anything, take us out of this gloom Make some freight, or some steam, make it snappy
You are the one who can make us all smile But not doing that you break out in tears Please don't be sad if we don’t buy what you had We wouldn't have known you all these years
Dear Mr. Fantasy make us a train Something to make us all happy Do anything, take us out of this gloom Make some freight, or some steam, make it snappy Yeah, yeah, yeah
Apologies to Traffic. Brian, careful you don't set anything on fire with that low spark... George, look for me at York, I'll sing it to ya!
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Post by runamuckchuck on Mar 7, 2024 14:24:24 GMT
Avoid disappointment, lower your expectations!
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Post by g3750 on Mar 7, 2024 16:22:03 GMT
Brian, careful you don't set anything on fire with that low spark... George, look for me at York, I'll sing it to ya!
Uh, maybe with a lot more barleycorn I might let you.
George
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Post by david1 on Mar 8, 2024 19:31:04 GMT
You hit the nail on the head el2558.
I have been saying it for years that mostly Lionel and Mth to a lesser extent has been using low quality components in the building of their products but charging top dollar. I would say from 2000 to about 2012 were the best years of items built in China. The build quality was very good compared to today. Of course QC has gone down the toilet. If your a collector of today's high end and never run trains then you may be in for a rude awakening in the future. If things Don't change there will be no more Lionel and no more well heeled collectors in the near future to sell your collections to.
Dave
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Post by g3750 on Mar 12, 2024 3:44:56 GMT
You hit the nail on the head el2558. I have been saying it for years that mostly Lionel and Mth to a lesser extent has been using low quality components in the building of their products but charging top dollar. I would say from 2000 to about 2012 were the best years of items built in China. The build quality was very good compared to today. Of course QC has gone down the toilet. If your a collector of today's high end and never run trains then you may be in for a rude awakening in the future. If things Don't change there will be no more Lionel and no more well heeled collectors in the near future to sell your collections to. Dave I completely agree. Some of the stuff made today is pure junk - but you wouldn't know that by looking at the price!!!
It's an argument for older, used or NOS engines. That way, you have a chance of getting something that will run properly and for a while.
George
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Post by curtis on Mar 12, 2024 15:04:46 GMT
You hit the nail on the head el2558. I have been saying it for years that mostly Lionel and Mth to a lesser extent has been using low quality components in the building of their products but charging top dollar. I would say from 2000 to about 2012 were the best years of items built in China. The build quality was very good compared to today. Of course QC has gone down the toilet. If your a collector of today's high end and never run trains then you may be in for a rude awakening in the future. If things Don't change there will be no more Lionel and no more well heeled collectors in the near future to sell your collections to. Dave I completely agree. Some of the stuff made today is pure junk - but you wouldn't know that by looking at the price!!!
It's an argument for older, used or NOS engines. That way, you have a chance of getting something that will run properly and for a while.
George
Kinda like buying a new car or truck.
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Post by g3750 on Mar 19, 2024 15:12:47 GMT
I completely agree. Some of the stuff made today is pure junk - but you wouldn't know that by looking at the price!!!
It's an argument for older, used or NOS engines. That way, you have a chance of getting something that will run properly and for a while.
George
Kinda like buying a new car or truck. Yes, and as cars and trucks become moving computing platforms (running millions of lines of code), they are experiencing their own software crisis (a re-run of the military airplane software crisis of the 1980's, 1990's, 2000's).
George
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