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Post by ron045 on Feb 19, 2024 17:36:52 GMT
Save yourself time and headaches. Learn from my mistakes. Use model paint on models, not box store spray paint.
The worst part is I knew this and broke my own rule anyway.
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Post by josef on Feb 19, 2024 17:56:15 GMT
I have never in all my decades using store bought spray paint directly from the can, rather then how you did it. Had a problem. Now, having been brought up on a farm and owning a farm and restoring equipment including IH and JD tractors and repainting, the paint is thicker and dries faster. I see you bought a paint for Farm equipment. Its made to be thicker compared to paint like RustOleum. I could actually see the difference when I ran out of IH Red but had a can of Gloss Red RustOleum and when dry saw the depression in the paint where the IH was thicker (this was for bottom of fuel tank were the difference would not matter, I thought. Ended up redoing the whole thing). I see were some will spray paint into a cup and then take a paint brush to try to touch up a scratch, etc. When you do that, the thinner evaporates quite quickly which needs to be replaced when doing touch up. I did the same thing when restoring Corvettes and needed a slight touch up, add some thinner and then brush.
But again, have done engines. tank cars, passenger cars, and structures without a problem. Different manufacturers of boxcars have even different shades of Boxcar Red coloring.
Just my 2 cents.
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Post by rtraincollector on Feb 19, 2024 20:45:52 GMT
If using a spray can type, I use either RustOleum, or store brand and have not had a problem. Only time I had a problem with spray paint from a can, was there use to be a guy that mixed and made original Lionel color paint and sold it. Then he retired and sold it and the crap that guy sold was crap. and it was impossible to get in contact with him and only time you could was if you where going to make a order, problems you did something wrong not him. ( Hennings trains paints are great, never a problem. )
But I mostly paint metal trains ( prewar) have done some plastic, that was where the problem happened, I strip it and repainted with store bought no problem.
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Post by mrmeep on Feb 20, 2024 6:10:22 GMT
KRYLON is the answer that you seek. Easy to apply, even coating, thin coats, dries quickly, compatible with almost all materials and, last but not least, colors usually are a dead-match for the original train colors.
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Post by seayakbill on Feb 20, 2024 10:43:52 GMT
I have probably repainted a couple dozen freight cars using paint spray cans from various hardware stores without any issues. I always put a primer on first before painting with the actual color. Bill www.youtube.com/user/seayakbill
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Post by ron045 on Feb 20, 2024 13:45:00 GMT
I have probably repainted a couple dozen freight cars using paint spray cans from various hardware stores without any issues. I always put a primer on first before painting with the actual color. Bill www.youtube.com/user/seayakbill I used primer also. It's a double color car. Primer, then yellow. Mask the yellow, then green. I'll stick with model paints. I've learned my lesson. It's a lot of work to re-do a train car. Strip paint, remove detail parts, prime, paint, tape, paint, clearcoat, decals, final clear, re-assemble. Messing up on one step and having to start all over is very disappointing.
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Post by josef on Feb 20, 2024 14:20:06 GMT
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Post by rtraincollector on Feb 20, 2024 14:41:34 GMT
I have done great with just normal gray primer from the local box store. here is one I'm still working on needs another light sanding with 800 - 1200 sand paper and another spraying as there is areas not shown I did not get correctly.
I did this with a spray can primer from Wal-Mart and my airbrush which I will never do again, ( the airbrush) takes to long to get a covering. I will use a spray gun or spray can ( most likely spray can Krylon most likely) I have never used Autobody primer, not needed.
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Post by ron045 on Feb 20, 2024 17:45:10 GMT
Just to further develop the conversation and my education, it seems to be inferred that I did not use primer. I did. This is a two-tone model. So I sprayed with Tamiya Primer, then sprayed Tamiya yellow only where I needed it. Then I masked the yellow and re-sprayed yellow over the tape. Then I did the green. It appears the green covered the raw primer and most of the yellow pretty good. Where it struggled was the lines and indentations. So what should I have done? Here is a sample pic during my yellow paintings showing the primer coat. Then my previous successful paint jobs. Could it perhaps be the chemical differences between model paint and rattle can paint? I have done two and three tone models in the past only using model paint with great success.
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Post by josef on Feb 20, 2024 18:05:41 GMT
I have done great with just normal gray primer from the local box store. here is one I'm still working on needs another light sanding with 800 - 1200 sand paper and another spraying as there is areas not shown I did not get correctly.
I did this with a spray can primer from Wal-Mart and my airbrush which I will never do again, ( the airbrush) takes to long to get a covering. I will use a spray gun or spray can ( most likely spray can Krylon most likely) I have never used Autobody primer, not needed. Auto primer is thicker. Made to hide the imperfections caused by sanding. Found that out when restoring Corvettes and using a regular primers then topcoat. I could see sanding marks in sunlight. Had to re-do the removable hardtop and back down to bare fiberglass and start over. Came out perfect paint job and a 1st place trophy.
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Post by josef on Feb 20, 2024 18:13:52 GMT
Just to further develop the conversation and my education, it seems to be inferred that I did not use primer. I did. This is a two-tone model. So I sprayed with Tamiya Primer, then sprayed Tamiya yellow only where I needed it. Then I masked the yellow and re-sprayed yellow over the tape. Then I did the green. It appears the green covered the raw primer and most of the yellow pretty good. Where it struggled was the lines and indentations. So what should I have done? Here is a sample pic during my yellow paintings showing the primer coat. Then my previous successful paint jobs. Could it perhaps be the chemical differences between model paint and rattle can paint? I have done two and three tone models in the past only using model paint with great success. I would say it was the difference between the 2 paints. I've seen it and more so when one tries to use an Acrylic and then an enamel over it. That's why I use test pieces of plastic and metal of the material I want to paint. If I mix colors, I mask off. Also my first coat is a light mist. I also give everything an alcohol wash and wear cheap plastic gloves in handling thereafter the model. Everything is given 48hrs between coats and final finish before handling. I also use test pieces for testing clear coat paint be it Matte, Semi, or gloss finish.
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Post by rtraincollector on Feb 20, 2024 20:57:21 GMT
I have always made sure I used same type of paint, not necessary same brand. I have had luck doing that. I either use all acrylic or all enamel.
My orange passenger car, I used enamel primer grey then a mixture of enamel Orange with a little enamel white to tone down the color a touch.
By the way the primer was store brand enamel grey
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Post by healey36 on Feb 20, 2024 21:47:00 GMT
Hey Ron, what brand/color did you use for your Chessie yellow? That looks sharp, being a tough shade to replicate.
Thanks,
Paul
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Post by ron045 on Feb 20, 2024 23:14:47 GMT
Hey Ron, what brand/color did you use for your Chessie yellow? That looks sharp, being a tough shade to replicate. Thanks, Paul Tru Color. They make the best railroad paints. I should have just found a green that was close enough in Tru Color.
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Post by ron045 on Feb 26, 2024 1:29:24 GMT
Hey Ron, what brand/color did you use for your Chessie yellow? That looks sharp, being a tough shade to replicate. Thanks, Paul That 44 tonner was done all with Tru-Color Chessie, Yellow, Orange, Blue. Now this GP38 gets a clean slate of Tamiya primer gray and is ready to go. I picked out Tru Color REA Green as I believe that was the closest match to SMS green. I'm going to try and do the chevrons and stripes with decals vice paint this time. Ron
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