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Post by twincities on Nov 24, 2019 16:58:33 GMT
my google searches always come up empty can find Canadian and UP passenger trains and freight sets but alas the Sante-Fe F-3 with chrome passenger cars I come up empty! it was a set I really wanted in childhood days during 1950's anyone here have any links and or catalog when offered from Lionel postwar era days?
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Post by bfi66 on Nov 24, 2019 17:09:05 GMT
K—Line also makes a nice set of Aluminum passenger cars......PTC can elaborate on this!
-Pete
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Post by harborbelt70 on Nov 24, 2019 17:48:04 GMT
Well, in case it helps, I remember a similar question coming up a few years back on another forum. There was one reference in that to Lionel making an extremely shiny Santa Fe set in about 1952/53, which was around the time they started making aluminum cars. There were other Santa Fe cars made at the same time by a company called AMT (for reference look here: www.tcawestern.org/amt.htm) and when new these were probably very shiny. As far as Lionel cars are concerned, the set number 2190W was mentioned but on checking that, it does not look like chrome. As far as I know, Lionel Santa Fe cars that really look chrome plated only appeared later and this one is an example:  But do you really mean chrome or polished/anodized aluminum? The only really chrome-plated Lionel cars I know of are in the TMCC Burlington Zephyr set. The very first passenger cars I got were a four car set of 15” Santa Fe cars that are very bright anodized aluminum (listed here in Lionel’s online catalogs: www.lionel.com/products/santa-fe-super-chief-aluminum-streamlined-passenger-car-4-pack-6-15312/). They are almost as bright/reflective as chrome but they are certainly later than the period you mention. |
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Post by ptc on Nov 24, 2019 18:02:04 GMT
I believe you are referring to the passenger cars that Andy has shown above. They are by Lionel and were sold aorund 1992. Wood Foss has a full set of these and they are inclluded in the Fantastic Photo Thread for this weeknd. He posted a video that shows them nicely.
I have seen them at the York Meet and once in a while on eBay. I will look for them for you next April at this Meet.
They are certainly worth the search. |
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Post by twincities on Nov 24, 2019 18:20:47 GMT
okay guys maybe unsure if aluminum or chrome plated but not looking for newer vintage am looking for the time lionel first made these sets sometime from 1945 to 1960 era seen them at a hobby shop in childhood days around 1950 on up they had the vista dome car I think not the newer tall passenger cars. I always wanted the original set as a kid. hope this clarifies my question.
or was this not a cataloged item at the time? I think I found part of this the cars I found are in the 2500 series passenger cars but not with sante fe names I think?
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Post by ptc on Nov 24, 2019 18:59:43 GMT
The cars in Wood's video are probably from the same molds as the originals, but the finish is far superior. Personally, I would llok for these. Same fond memories, but better cars. |
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Post by chipset35 on Nov 24, 2019 19:03:29 GMT
I have Lionels Sante Fe Chrome Passenger cars the modern version:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 1:18:07 GMT
my google searches always come up empty can find Canadian and UP passenger trains and freight sets but alas the Sante-Fe F-3 with chrome passenger cars I come up empty! it was a set I really wanted in childhood days during 1950's anyone here have any links and or catalog when offered from Lionel postwar era days? Pete here they are. 16" Lionel Chrome tops called the Super Chief set. These have the silhouettes in the windows and it gives me that old time Postwar look. Vey well made passenger cars. I do not know the set number. The numbers below are the individual car numbers. You could call Lionel and they would tell you the set number. Santa Fe Super Chief Aluminum 6 car passenger set. Lionel 1989-92 Baggage Car 6-19109 Combo Car 6-16110 Diner 6-16111 Passenger 6-16112 Vista Observation car 6-19113 Full Vista Dome Car 6-19128 Add on car Duplex Roomette 6-19138    |
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Post by harborbelt70 on Nov 25, 2019 11:22:14 GMT
Santa Fe Super Chief Aluminum 6 car passenger set. Lionel 1989-92 Baggage Car 6-19109 Combo Car 6-16110 Diner 6-16111 Passenger 6-16112 Vista Observation car 6-19113 Full Vista Dome Car 6-19128 Add on car Duplex Roomette 6-19138 Just on a hunch, I Googled some of Wood’s SKUs (those beginning 6-19xxx) and that turned up this impressive set first issued in 1991, which appears to include the majority of the cars Wood has:
 There’s a ton of detail on the auction page this is from: etrainseller.com/lionel-modern?layout=edit&id=205.
But this is 40 years after the period Twincities is remembering. Very possibly Lionel was using the same extrusions from that period for these cars and I bet the cars were reissued a number of times. |
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Post by twincities on Nov 25, 2019 12:52:48 GMT
I found the cars I had a old greenberg book for postwar and looked up the 2500 series passenger cars found them online I think it was tandem something website and they are aluminum and silver painted tops with silhouettes 2531-2532-2533-2534 produced 1952-1960 and 6 variations of how the name plates were attached to the cars.
I think I finally found it as set 2190W made in 1952 with the 2343 F-3 sante fe engines now not sure if same set I seen as a kid as I would have seen it around 1956 to 1958 so may have been different engine numbers then again it might have been a left over from first year made will never know that part! But it sure caught my eye and santa could only afford a sante fe nw-2 all black switch engine no cars just 8 foot long oval track and a silver bridge with a flashing crossing gate.
so mystery solved I think.
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Post by josef on Nov 25, 2019 12:58:28 GMT
Didn't Williams make a set of aluminum SF cars?
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Post by harborbelt70 on Nov 25, 2019 13:08:00 GMT
I found the cars I had a old greenberg book for postwar and looked up the 2500 series passenger cars found them online I think it was tandem something website and they are aluminum and silver painted tops with silhouettes 2531-2532-2533-2534 produced 1952-1960 and 6 variations of how the name plates were attached to the cars. not sure why I come up empty handed on google search for a set with the sante fe f-3's from 1952 onward. I think I finally found it as set 2190W says postwar but no year it was made. FWIW, as noted in my earlier post I came up with set 2190W too and that is early 50s. I discounted it as a "chrome" possibility because the cars, though aluminum, are ribbed. Here's one image of the set; there are many others online and in some it appears to have a much shinier finish than here shown:  Anyway, I also came across this nice video of a 2190W set that is either in mint condition or has been refinished. I remember that diesel horn from my Dad's Santa Fe set! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 17:18:21 GMT
Wow, That's a lot of history brought up by this thread. Glad you found the item you were looking for. I'm sure you will find it for sale.
Harborbelt70, That's a nice video. Great looking layout in a Tent???
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Post by ptc on Nov 25, 2019 17:47:49 GMT
The video sure brought back memories for me. I did forget how crummy the horn sounds by today's offerings.  |
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Post by harborbelt70 on Nov 26, 2019 18:51:56 GMT
The video sure brought back memories for me. I did forget how crummy the horn sounds by today's offerings. Whatever anyone says about the quality of Lionel products or their (lack of) quality control - and I have expressed my share of complaints - the advances in sound are pretty remarkable. That postwar diesel horn is indeed crummy but (maybe just to my ear) charming and nostalgic. I compare it to my TMCC Santa Fe diesel sounds and they are an evolutionary leap BUT still not wholly realistic, and I’d almost like to revert to the toy train entertainment value of the old stuff I grew up with. Legacy sounds are another level altogether, however, and there’s no going back, or not for me. However, I really got fascinated by the subject of this thread because it traces a big part of O gauge passenger car development. We’re a long way from cars with silhouettes (which to be brutal about it I do not like) but there’s no beating metal (aluminum or brass) for passenger car bodies. All the Lionel polished/anodized aluminum cars I’ve looked at in trying to track down chrome cars have stood up beautifully given their age. The big downside is that Lionel seems to be going backwards in terms of passenger car materials and standard features and show NO signs of being able or willing to match the fine metal finishes of some MTH cars, in particular in Santa Fe livery. I remind everybody that the only aluminum 3rail O passenger cars being built today are from 3rd Rail/GGD and next year we are due to see some in 15” models.
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