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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 21:21:53 GMT
That’s another thing, no body writes anymore. Everyone including my self do videos like Eric of Eric’s trains.
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Post by Pennsy484 on Oct 14, 2019 21:30:54 GMT
I am a member of TCA, Eastern Division. I go to the York meets and love them. I retained my membership even though others have dropped their membership since TCA has allowed the public to the meets. In all honesty though, I consider my membership like a charitable contribution, mostly for supporting the meet and the museum, because I don't really use any TCA services other than the meet. I never really felt any connection with TCA other than the meet. I think that forums, ebay, and YouTube provide many aspects that perhaps TCA used to provide. What Eric is doing is terrific. I have also resolved not to worry about "the future of the hobby". I am in the hobby because I enjoy it. I enjoy learning by reading the forums and watching videos, and I also enjoy sharing what I am doing. That to me is the best way to support the hobby, share it, show it, pure and authentically without any sort of recruitment agenda. Build it and they will come.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 21:51:06 GMT
I like the museum. It is a credit to the hobby.
I know almost nothing about the TCA and in honesty don’t have a lot of interest. We own a ton of conventional, a lot in unopened boxes (including a Lionel backshop, bascule bridge, etc). But as we got into a layout, we decided to change direction and go with more realism, etc. We love the old but wanted to try the new stuff. Do not see that with the TCA. They appear to be in the dark ages and seem happy to be there. Nothing wrong with that IF they can continue long term.
Does the TCA need a good consultant... absolutely. But how many know enough to be able to give good and maybe not acceptable advice to this group?
It simply increases the cost of York. That said, we are glad to support the hobby.
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Post by dennym57 on Oct 14, 2019 22:00:20 GMT
The reason there are few modern train articles in the TCA Quarterly is because no one writes any. All the articles in there are written by members. So if you want to see more written about newer trains, write one. I don’t have a crystal ball or have all the answers, but offering a public discount to enter the York Meet kills any incentive to join. Why join if you can get in for less as a non- member? I think there should be more advertising but most of the real train people in the York area are already there. The only ‘public’ you’re going to capture are mostly non buyers looking for something to do. Not exactly what vendors are hoping for. The hobby is getting lost in all the other forms of entertainment and social activities. It’s up to us to get new people into model trains. The TCA is just a vehicle to present the trains and the social aspects of the hobby. I believe the TCA does well with that. As for the museum, where else can you see firsthand the history and traditions of the model train hobby in one place. It’s a beautiful venue that serves a purpose beyond any cost analysis. Looking to shut it down flies in the face of trying to grow the hobby. Brian that has backfired on them. Most of those people thought it was a 'train show ' not having any idea what they were walking into. A lot of them were not train modelers and were not going to spend that kind of money. I watched them walk by with little things they bought. A lot bought children's DVDs from us, but no major train purchases.
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Post by Traindiesel! on Oct 14, 2019 22:56:24 GMT
Yeah, the internet is kinda better if all you want to do is buy trains. But most of the fun for me is socializing with all the friends I’ve made over the years with the trains as a backdrop. Can’t get that from an Internet vendor.
The TCA is not alone with membership issues. Just about every hobby, not only the model train hobby, is suffering from the same thing. Kids, and a lot of adults, can’t put their phones down to save their life and would rather play Minecraft.
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Post by JDaddy on Oct 15, 2019 0:36:32 GMT
"That whole meet needs to be restructured" Just add to that JDaddy, the entire TCA needs a consultant. Do you think they would listen? Sure would love to help
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Post by Traindiesel! on Oct 15, 2019 2:46:09 GMT
Best way to make changes is to run for a TCA office. But it's like my old homeowner's association. Many wanted to be on the Board so they could make the changes they wanted. Until they received first hand knowledge of the problems and realized the limitations and then nobody heard anything again.
It'll take more than any one person or even a group of people to change the mindset of potential members. Because those outside the hobby don't want to run trains, they want to play video games. I could barely have a conversation with my oldest grandson cause he had his gaze plastered to his phone. Look around your neighborhoods, you don't see kids filling the ball fields to play baseball anymore. When I was a kid you couldn't find an open field to play, now it's just crickets.
I know it's probably for budget reasons but why don't the Importers advertise that they even still make trains? If they promote what they make people will go to train shows. They need to make it look cool again!
I'm going to continue to go to the York Meets and any local TCA Meets and support the TCA until it's no longer there or I head to the great train station in the sky (or the subway). In the meantime I'm going to talk about the hobby, share my hobby, promote the hobby as best I can and buy as many trains as I can (it's cheaper than therapy). And if they all go away in my lifetime, I have enough trains for a few lifetimes to enjoy. I'll always have the hobby boiling in my blood!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 3:41:46 GMT
I do not disagree with the above posts. I was a TCA member for @ 5 years before I realized that I really had little reason to be a member. I attended the York meet once in 2009 or 2010. It was interesting and I saw more model trains than I ever had before. I also noticed that most there seemed to be most interested in how much they could get for an old toy or how little they could pay for it. Their ultimate goal seemed to be the collecting and selling side. Now I am an old man but I still play with my trains and I am not really a true collector. (All model train people will do some collecting because you must if you just play with trains and keep them for a while.) It seems to me that the younger persons we would like to attract to the hobby have little interest in collecting. The TCA has a special interest in collecting. It's part of their name. Kids can play with train video games, build layouts, add equipment etc, and then sell the old game and get a new one rather cheap and do it different without having a room full of stuff to gather dust. No, I'm not tearing down my layout. Yet.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 11:20:32 GMT
Some interesting posts about TCA. I am not a member and I will not join TCA now or in the future. There are no benefits for me to do so. Where we live the area is actually covered by TCA. There are no events of any kind. I have spoken to a few people about this and the responses have all been that TCA is an American thing. For a long time now I consider most things to be North American in nature. Not just Canadian or American. When I have posted about York when I was a member of another forum saying the York Train "Show" people corrected me by saying it is a "Meet". Lately I have seen it advertised as a show. Most likely as a way to raise attendance. To me TCA has one foot in the past while trying to find a future to place the other foot. Not an easy task. Open to the public or not open to the public. Member halls closed to the public. Trying to attract new members and keeping the public out of some of the areas is just not a sound practice. That is what Train Clubs usually do for their members. Nothing wrong with that....like minded individuals wanting to be together. York should be wide open. It has changed through the years. York is no longer just a swap meet. Once retailers started to attend the landscape changed. I have attended many large shows for products over the years. Boat shows,RV shows,Car shows,ARMX,SEMA,etc. All open to the public and all continue to increase their attendance and sales while York's numbers go down. I don't have any real solutions to give you as I believe that the TCA is struggling with the same issues. Obviously their is more than one reason for this. One big reason for the decline is that people are aging and heading to the big train station in the sky. It is difficult to get younger people involved in this hobby for many reasons. Times have changed and the hobby must change as well. Today doing something with your hands or building something is just not fun for an entire generation. They all seem to want others to do it for them. Just a couple of my thoughts and observations. For us, we will attend York this week to meet people and check out the vendors first hand,looking for deals while at the same time representing the O-Gauge Forum. I am sure a lot of you will be doing the same thing. We will also be doing non train related things. For us this trip is also a mini vacation. We are looking forward to York being a fun and thoroughly enjoyable experience!
See you there,
Gary and Cheryl.
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Post by ptc on Oct 15, 2019 15:21:44 GMT
"Does the TCA need a good consultant... absolutely."
Having served hundreds of businesses in my career, this is exactly what they need. The current BOD is too close to the issues to get objective solutions that only an outsider can provide. Personal likes or dislikes of the TCA leadership serve little to get a comprehensive study of what is needed to give the TCA a long term outlook.
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