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Post by rockymountaineer on Oct 10, 2019 16:14:32 GMT
... The crew talk is unique, not sure about the cab no. call out, but its beyond the garble talk and I cannot confirm if its different between road names. ... JDaddy, I see what you're referring to... namely by "unique crew talk", Lionel is referring to "understandable" words rather than the garbled radio chatter typically found on Railsounds4 locomotives. I just view that as table-stakes now, since it's been so long that we've had Railsounds5 or Railsounds5+ on Lionel offerings. Quite honestly, depending on the voice talent Lionel chooses on certain locomotives, I actually prefer the older Railsounds4 garbled talk than some of the corny dialogs in Railsounds5. Some of the voice talent sounds like it's their first day on the job, and they're reading a script for the first time!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 16:20:29 GMT
So is the whistle not correct for this engine? Or is it a early version, and everyone likes the later version whistle which was in the last run from a few years back?
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Post by rockymountaineer on Oct 10, 2019 20:40:53 GMT
So is the whistle not correct for this engine? Or is it a early version, and everyone likes the later version whistle which was in the last run from a few years back? I gather from what's been reported here in this thread that a very EARLY version of these Pennsy J1a locomotives did have a Banshee whistle, but follow-on versions of the J1a had a much different whistle. For my taste, the 2011 Lionel Legacy release of 2-10-4's used an acceptable whistle, but the real hands-down winner is the 1950's whistle that Bob Bartizek posted. THAT version has a very unique resonance to it that Lionel's Railsounds is particularly good at replicating. Why it wasn't chosen is a mystery. As I've been saying lately, Lionel is producing FAR TOO MANY sku's in its catalog nowadays. And I can only surmise that at times, things get crazy... requiring hasty decisions on various features to meet production deadlines. Given more time to reflect and think things through more clearly, I'd bet big money that Lionel's product guys would have chosen the whistle featured in Bob's video, if they had the luxury of doing things over again. It would have sounded STELLAR on this locomotive. But unless Lionel offers a flash update for these J1a Railsounds boards, I think that train has left the station. And the whistle is what it is. This does beg the question though... how many features can be locked and loaded at catalog time, when buyers need to decide on pre-orders? Right now, Lionel's track record of delivering product is too much of a wildcard. So more folks like myself are now waiting to see what's really delivered. In this case, that cost Lionel TWO 2-10-4 sales: the Pennsy J1a and the War-Bonds 2-10-4. Aside from very limited production runs of relatively unknown road-names, there is currently no upside to pre-ordering Lionel's BTO products. Safer to take a wait-and-see attitude.
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Post by JDaddy on Oct 11, 2019 0:52:50 GMT
Yep this BTO has back fired on me. I wanted to confirm I could get both cab numbers. And yes I was able to order them... now I am going to have to "eat crow" with my LHS. I really expected the M1a whistle that is just awesome to say the least. We are meeting at Norm C's this weekend to do a A/B/C comparison of all 3 releases... stay tuned for the video! This way I can decide to shell out the 1150 for each. I bet York will have quite a few for sale. The real question is since I ordered the J3a NYC what am I gonna get?
This year I am batting a 1000! I ordered the UP E6's - DOA, had to go back and still not happy, so I took a loss and sold them I ordered the UP PA's - had to sort stock to get a good set... still not sure if I need to send it back but they seem to be remembering their IDs. And I ordered the SD 40's - Cabs were smashed upon delivery and the couplers were loose in the box... LHS helped return them for a good set
Challengers … don't want to talk about it, but I dodged a bullet, H-10s - scared to buy due to the sound dropping out
I think the train Gods are angry!
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Post by rockymountaineer on Oct 11, 2019 17:50:07 GMT
Hey folks,
FWIW, I stumbled upon this YouTube video posted toward the end of September. It's one of Lionel's C&O variations of the 2-10-4 with a very different whistle from the one implemented in the Pennsy J1a. So it seems not all of these 2-10-4's have the same whistle in them. I MUCH prefer the whistle used in the C&O locomotives. Now I'm wondering which whistle Lionel used in the KCS War Bonds 2-10-4. Anybody have first-hand knowledge???
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Post by rockymountaineer on Oct 11, 2019 17:55:40 GMT
.... I really expected the M1a whistle that is just awesome to say the least. We are meeting at Norm C's this weekend to do a A/B/C comparison of all 3 releases... stay tuned for the video! This way I can decide to shell out the 1150 for each. I bet York will have quite a few for sale. The real question is since I ordered the J3a NYC what am I gonna get? .... JDaddy, I feel your pain. I recall several years ago, Lionel posted the whistle file on their website for a handful of locomotives -- not for downloading, just for listening to it. I wish they would do that for ALL of their locomotives, so we know what we're getting. There's only so many times we can look to YouTube or these online forums for an early buyer's experience. There must be 8 or so roadname variations of Lionel's newest 2-10-4's, and it's purely a crapshoot as to which whistle is in which locomotive. David
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 18:38:26 GMT
JDaddy, Get Norm C to sign up over here.
I'm talking to Dave Olson again and I've ask about the J3a, No worries, it will have the correct whistle and sound like the ESE from 2016. Added detail since this is older Hudson tooling.
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Post by Craignor on Oct 12, 2019 1:36:04 GMT
It almost seems like Lionel is deliberately trying to ruin their business with the seemingly endless run of expensive lemons, with no public apologies, or even a pledge to get it together. Seems like they don’t care. How much longer will the fans remain faithful? I have been out of the Lionel pool since I preordered the VL GG1 which I received in December 2016, I had a lot of trouble with it, it went back to Lionel three times, over the two year waranty period it was in the shop most of the time.
The J1A was very tempting (as was the Challenger), I almost ordered it, glad I didn’t what with the Thomas the Tank whistle, and the cylinder steam irregularities.
i feel sorry for you guys who bought these duds, I know how disappointing it is.
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Post by Pennsy484 on Oct 12, 2019 1:45:46 GMT
Hey folks, FWIW, I stumbled upon this YouTube video posted toward the end of September. It's one of Lionel's C&O variations of the 2-10-4 with a very different whistle from the one implemented in the Pennsy J1a. So it seems not all of these 2-10-4's have the same whistle in them. I MUCH prefer the whistle used in the C&O locomotives. Now I'm wondering which whistle Lionel used in the KCS War Bonds 2-10-4. Anybody have first-hand knowledge??? That is the whistle used on the Legacy B&O EM1 as well. Nice but I have to agree with the wish that they would have used the whistle they used on the most recent legacy PRR M1a, which is an amazing whistle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 15:04:47 GMT
Want to see Eric’s new 2-10-4 here you go.
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Post by Craignor on Oct 12, 2019 17:01:54 GMT
I had the MTH one, it was a paperweight, wireless tether always disconnected, had it repaired several times, never was right, finally I disclosed the problem and sold it for a loss.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 18:48:34 GMT
You guys are making me nervous. We are supposed to pick up a C and O from Steve Nelson Thursday. Hope it sounds like this one above.
The Lionel game is not fun anymore.
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Post by rockymountaineer on Oct 13, 2019 15:53:27 GMT
You guys are making me nervous. We are supposed to pick up a C and O from Steve Nelson Thursday. Hope it sounds like this one above. .... Keeping my fingers crossed for you, Bill. I think Lionel did three C&O 2-10-4's this time around -- including the weathered version by Harry Hieke. If they all used the same whistle, you'll be good to go. Otherwise... like I mentioned earlier, Lionel needs to post sound files on their product pages, so folks KNOW what they're getting. I completely understand toy train enthusiasts making buying decisions based on a model's features (like the sound of the horn or whistle). When Atlas-O took their sweet time delivering the company F3/F7's, and Lionel then beat them to market with their own F3 locomotives including the SuperBass B-units and improved diesel horn, I had no problems buying Lionel over Atlas-O. The trick is knowing what we're getting. And importers haven't always been forthcoming with some of these features. Surprises are nice when they're pleasant... not to nice when they're disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 16:01:56 GMT
David
They have done this in a limited amount on the website but I agree it would be nice to post these on the website before the order deadline. They should know what whistle is going into these steamers. My guess is the resource to the webpage are limited. That being said, that could prevent a lot of hassle and costs later.
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Post by rockymountaineer on Oct 13, 2019 16:23:06 GMT
Gary, what would we do without Eric showing us his loaded handcart filled with all the latest stuff in one haul? In all seriousness though, I must confess that I succumbed to Nassau Hobby's 15% Columbus Day sale and snagged the KCS War Bonds 2-10-4 steamer on Friday morning as soon as the sale was announced. Since it seems the steam-chest emissions ARE activated on-demand with the AUX3 softkey and the appropriate level of firmware (which I have), I decided to snag the War Bonds loco while Nassau Hobbies still had one for a $200 savings off their regular sale price. But I was also happy that the C&O 2-10-4 had a very pleasant whistle, so that made throwing the dice a bit easier on the War Bonds 2-10-4. Now that I see Eric's video showing the War Bonds 2-10-4 in action, I'm glad I made the gamble Friday because Nassau Hobby only had one left. Mine should be here Monday morning, as it's sitting at the local UPS depot now. The whistle on the War Bonds 2-10-4 gets two thumbs up. PLUS Lionel delivered the locomotive with its boiler painted differently than illustrated in the catalog -- but this time, that was a pleasant "surprise". David
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