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Post by runamuckchuck on Nov 17, 2024 22:33:08 GMT
Yes but it is a Lionel catalog after all. You have to give allowances for cut and paste oversight!  |
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Post by gpritch on Nov 17, 2024 23:24:32 GMT
The green color represents the locomotive glowing the dark. How does it look in the dark? I thought the same thing . . .
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Post by madockawando on Nov 18, 2024 1:39:28 GMT
In the catalog shot that David used, the background is pitch black. I believe you are onto something. But if you look at the other catalog images, the background is pure white… and there is no difference in the color of the rolling stock. Same coloring is also represented in the add-on pieces due out in 2025. Can you test it? Expose it to a bright light, then turn of the light see how it glows. The lack background in the catalog photo strongly implies that the photo represents how it looks when it glows in the dark. |
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Post by rockymountaineer on Nov 18, 2024 2:54:48 GMT
As promised, earlier this evening I was able to explore the "glowing effect" under various lighting conditions. These are the results.
Lionel catalog illustrations notwithstanding... these 7 photos represent the REALITIES of what we can expect under various lighting conditions with this AEC premium trainset, based solely on my tests with the AEC SuperBass GP9 which is now shipping from dealers. In these photos, "darkness" is represented by 8 Philips HUE high-hat lights in the train room ceiling set to display deep blue. ALL other train-room light heads were turned off.
Photo 1: 7:12PM... the SuperBass GP9 in the lighting described above. Essentially no significant difference in color of the locomotive from the daytime photo I posted earlier in this thread -- only in dimmer ambient light. No noticeable "glowing" just by turning off room lights.
Photo 2: 7:13pm... the SuperBass GP9 is lit by a high-intensity flashlight. The purest of light, revealing the basic color of the SuperBass GP9 is the bright vanilla discussed earlier in the thread.
Photo 3: 7:13pm... the SuperBass GP9 takes on the "glowing" green tint represented in the catalog... IMMEDIATELY after the high-intentsity flashlight is turned off.
Photo 4: 7:14pm... the SuperBass GP9's green low is beginning to fade ever so subtly one minute after the flashlight was turned off.
Photo 5: 7:18pm... the SuperBass GP9's green glow is all but gone, and the locomotive now appears it's non-glowing vanilla color albeit still in nighttime lighting.
Photo 6: 7:21pm... the SuperBass GP9's natural appearance in the train room with train room lights turned up full.
Photo 7: 7:22pm... the SuperBass GP9 shows no sign of "glowing" in darkened room conditions (minus the blue overhead lights) WITHOUT the high-intensity flashlight shined upon the locomotive before switching ambient light heads off.
Conclusions... the locomotive does NOT glow simply by placing it in a dark room/environment. In order to achieve the "glowing" green effect depicted in the catalog, I needed to first shine the high-intensity flashlight on the locomotive for a few seconds BEFORE making the train room dark. And that "glow effect" lasted a couple of minutes. But absent some type of high-intensity light source shining on the train FIRST, I was unable to observe the "glow effect" in darkness... which gives credence to the comment I made earlier in this thread about a "black light" helping to accentuate the glow effect.
So there ya have it. I can live with that... and I await the complete boxed set next month... along with some add-on pieces of rolling stock due next year from the 2024 C2 catalog. Should be a lot of fun -- even though I maintain Lionel should have been more up-front about the train's true color when it's NOT glowing. Without stumbling upon this thread, I don't think ANYONE would have expected a vanilla train out of the box (unless they were aware of the original train produced decades ago). So Lionel could have at least shown ONE photo of the vanilla-colored paint-scheme, which is how most folks will run or display this train.
That being said... It's nonetheless a very unique trainset that hearkens back to Lionel's postwar era.
And speaking of which... I have quite a number of the flatcars containing the radioactive canister loads that blink red as well. So we'll see how they look mixed in with this train too. Stay tuned for fun days (or shall I say evenings) ahead. 
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Post by rockymountaineer on Nov 18, 2024 3:37:45 GMT
Like Bill above, I have the older version and has been trouble free. In my opinion, the fantasy sounds are the best on this engine and hopefully the new one will be at least as good, if not better. I think, again my opinion, the intent of the color in the catalog was to represent the "Glowing" effect. The final product looks very much like the older version and honestly, might be an engine I pick-up just for the operation quantities. The original is a pullmore, open frame motor. Thanks for posting the image David. Charlie
Thank you Charlie and Bill. I completely missed that Lionel had already offered this trainset many years ago. How was it cataloged/advertised back then? Did you know it was essentially a vanilla-based color scheme with red trim? Or were you surprised back then as I was this week?
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Post by madockawando on Nov 18, 2024 12:49:57 GMT
Every "glow in the dark" toy that I can remember required exposure under bright light in order for it to work. It should be no surprise that the Lionel Glow in the Dark locomotive operates the same way. Thank you for running the test.
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Post by rockymountaineer on Nov 18, 2024 13:31:38 GMT
Every "glow in the dark" toy that I can remember required exposure under bright light in order for it to work. It should be no surprise that the Lionel Glow in the Dark locomotive operates the same way. Thank you for running the test. I had always planned to explore the glow-in-the-dark feature on this unit. The "surprise" as you call it was not that bright light or black light was needed to activate the glow effect, but rather that the color of the locomotive/set would be a vanilla-based color out of the box rather than mint-green. That's where Lionel err'd in its catalog photos.
So let's PLEASE not turn this thread into a 6-page diatribe, where we argue about color like what happened on Mr. Muffin's custom-run B&A Berkshire thread. Let's just not go there.
This train set was apparently produced similar to a version made many years ago. And the glow-effect represented in the catalog requires the rolling stock be exposed to either a bright flashlight or black light near the layout. I am happy understanding how the glow-effect will work on this set as well as with items made to match this set. That should CLOSE any further discussion/debate about color on this thread.
Most of us here are adult enough to agree Lionel could do a much better job ensuring delivered product closely adheres to what's catalog'd. And that they should COMMUNICATE nuances of color, finish and detail much better than they currently do -- especially given the price that enthusiasts are paying these days.
I hope everyone who purchases this set plans to enjoy it!!!
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Post by runamuckchuck on Nov 18, 2024 13:43:28 GMT
C'mon Dave where is your sense of fun? We haven't had a diatribe in several weeks now. What a killjoy you turned out to be. I seem to recall it started when you stopped by the Danish Bakery to preorder their custom run car and they were closed; which ticked you off. You have been a sourpuss since. Can we start a diatribe about Danish Bakeries? Please!  |
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Post by seayakbill on Nov 18, 2024 13:57:11 GMT
Back when I purchased the original locomotive new from the dealer some 15 years or so ago there was no picture in the catalog of the locomotive turning green. Just stated that it would glow in the dark, as it did. The best feature of the early edition is the very loud siren that the grandkids just love the heck out of and I would assume most adults will despise.
Bill
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Post by MartyE on Nov 18, 2024 14:47:56 GMT
I believe the catalog representation, due to the black background and "glowing" halo around the engine represents it in it's glow in the dark state as others have stated. Not sure about the rolling stock but that is my impression.
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Post by healey36 on Nov 18, 2024 15:00:09 GMT
I have a number of the cars from an earlier run, and they all glow in the dark after just a few minutes of overhead layout light exposure. The glow-effect lasts 10-15 minutes. I run them behind a non-glow-in-the-dark AEC Beep.  |
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Post by madockawando on Nov 18, 2024 15:10:31 GMT
Every "glow in the dark" toy that I can remember required exposure under bright light in order for it to work. It should be no surprise that the Lionel Glow in the Dark locomotive operates the same way. Thank you for running the test. I had always planned to explore the glow-in-the-dark feature on this unit. The "surprise" as you call it was not that bright light or black light was needed to activate the glow effect, but rather that the color of the locomotive/set would be a vanilla-based color out of the box rather than mint-green. That's where Lionel err'd in its catalog photos.
So let's PLEASE not turn this thread into a 6-page diatribe, where we argue about color like what happened on Mr. Muffin's custom-run B&A Berkshire thread. Let's just not go there.
This train set was apparently produced similar to a version made many years ago. And the glow-effect represented in the catalog requires the rolling stock be exposed to either a bright flashlight or black light near the layout. I am happy understanding how the glow-effect will work on this set as well as with items made to match this set. That should CLOSE any further discussion/debate about color on this thread.
Most of us here are adult enough to agree Lionel could do a much better job ensuring delivered product closely adheres to what's catalog'd. And that they should COMMUNICATE nuances of color, finish and detail much better than they currently do -- especially given the price that enthusiasts are paying these days.
I hope everyone who purchases this set plans to enjoy it!!!
As for these "color" conversations, I am not the one who starts these threads, I only comment on them like everyone else. Responsibility for the two Berkshire color debacle threads rests elsewhere then my keyboard. And I did thank you for running your lighting tests, so I am not sure why you felt I needed a shot the bow. 
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Post by rockymountaineer on Nov 18, 2024 15:33:57 GMT
I believe the catalog representation, due to the black background and "glowing" halo around the engine represents it in it's glow in the dark state as others have stated. Not sure about the rolling stock but that is my impression. Marty, I could understand the black background photo. But what confused me were the photos with white backgrounds showing the same mint-green color rolling stock. I never expected white locomotives and rolling stock, because other non-glowing Lionel AEC items have a mint-green color pallet under normal room lighting conditions. Had I not missed the earlier AEC train set offering, my expectations would have been different. 😊
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Post by rockymountaineer on Nov 18, 2024 15:44:35 GMT
C'mon Dave where is your sense of fun? We haven't had a diatribe in several weeks now. What a killjoy you turned out to be. I seem to recall it started when you stopped by the Danish Bakery to preorder their custom run car and they were closed; which ticked you off. You have been a sourpuss since. Can we start a diatribe about Danish Bakeries? Please! Every time I drive by that place on my way to Fox Chase appointments, they’re either on vacation or they’re closed. So I only do business with places that are more serious about being open. LOL!!!
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Post by Charlie on Nov 18, 2024 16:18:26 GMT
Thank you Charlie and Bill. I completely missed that Lionel had already offered this trainset many years ago. How was it cataloged/advertised back then? Did you know it was essentially a vanilla-based color scheme with red trim? Or were you surprised back then as I was this week?
Hey David: I am as work, so the best I can do it the on-line image from the Lionel website. Mine was purchased from my local dealer, so I saw it on the shelf before making the purchase. The real reason for the sales was that the dealer demonstrated the sound... that is what finalized the purchase for me. I did find the rolling stock interesting and as mentioned, I was able to buy the individual pieces that interested me. www.lionel.com/products/aec-tmcc-gp9-diesel-2001-6-28527/Back then the engine was sold as a separate item. I will be looking for set-break-up of this new engine. My question to you is, what is the sound like? While totally fantasy, I love the sound of the 2001 edition. Thanks David.
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