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Post by harborbelt70 on Mar 2, 2024 13:20:47 GMT
First of all, I didn't post anything last week because of being on the road, getting sick while I was and, most pertinently, not having anything new to show although I was hoping to have something delivered that is indeed entirely new. The delivery hasn't happened yet although I have started to lay in various parts for this project. I have no business undertaking a new scratch building project when I have another unfinished one on the go already (and some Lionel repairs that just thinking about make me lose the will to live), but anyway here is a mystery side/top shot to hint at what this is about:
I have mentioned this in an earlier thread and there's a Gold Star (virtual) for anyone who's paid enough attention to guess what this is. The lower photo came from my parts supplier who is substituting this 3D printed set of components (roof and floor) for the injection-molded ones he has previously sold although these will have to be bonded together - preferably by him. I have also started to research various roof and body panel details including vents and grilles although I'm not sure these laser-etched card parts are usable:
For anyone really curious/does not want to make an informed guess I came across a comprehensive description of an Italian modeller who built the car in question in a small scale using a complete 3D printed body shell. That is not an option in O scale and in any case I have to content myself with building a representation of the real thing using such pre-made parts as I can find. The account of this is here: www.trainmaster.ch/ZY-532.htm
Also in the category of what I don't have (and probably won't ever see in the flesh) which is also of Italian origin is this Euro O scale (1:43.5) model of a UK Pullman-built car made for Orient Express service. The model was made by the company called "Elettren" like a car I have seen and posted about recently and you'll notice that it has Arabic as well as Latin script writing on it as the prototype was built for service in Egypt:
I think that Alfred started a thread recently on Pullman cars and that made me look again at Euro models, many of which are finely built. Unfortunately some are better than others depending when made and I'd really like to see how the interior of this sleeper is detailed.
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Post by healey36 on Mar 2, 2024 14:39:32 GMT
Hope you're back home and fully recovered, harborbelt. I figured this was the next leg in building the power car (confirmed by a cheat looking at the attachment). The photoetch looks sharp; is it unusable for being the wrong size(s)? Euro passenger car models can be epic, especially those geared toward the scale crowd and not the toy train fans (although there are many very nice toy passenger cars as well). Nothing better than a diner with all of the interior bits. This MPC 8310 from 1982 or 1983 has passed over the workbench repeatedly over the last few weeks. I'll admit it's both interesting and awful simultaneously, a sort of 1615 reissue, but with an extended plastic pilot "designed" to accommodate a flimsy pilot truck: Produced for a Sears set in the early 1980s, it runs, but poorly (I seem to be caught up in e-unit hell right now). I tore the place apart yesterday looking for the cheesy MPC-era slope-back tender; I knew I had one, finding it in a stash I'd forgotten about. I ordered a replacement marker lamp from Dr. Tinker; I've never tried replacing one of those...I presume that can be filed down, then the replacement epoxied into position (?) I'm wondering if the shorter pilot from a 1615 will easily fit this. If so, it could be made into something a bit more visually pleasing. A lot to think about. In any event, it returned to the side of the workbench where it will continue to haunt me.
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Post by harborbelt70 on Mar 2, 2024 15:21:12 GMT
Hope you're back home and fully recovered, harborbelt. I figured this was the next leg in building the power car (confirmed by a cheat looking at the attachment). The photoetch looks sharp; is it unusable for being the wrong size(s)? I'll give you a Gold Star for effort/interest despite cheating. Yes, this is about the UP 2066 Power Car although I can't start on that without the car sides to take measurements from. I've sold myself on the idea of doing this project on the basis that I can fabricate the humpback roof in one day when I am able to concentrate on it.
The etching material seems to be card stock or some kind of wood, which worries me in terms of painting it in that I will use Tru-Color acrylic, which actually contains a solvent base.I have tracked down metal screens and grills from a source I new nothing about until this morning and the parts appear to be components of Overland brass trains. I'll probably try using those when I get that far.
I am not fully recovered from my road trip affliction but the doc has drugged me up.
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Post by healey36 on Mar 2, 2024 15:51:30 GMT
Hope you're back home and fully recovered, harborbelt. I figured this was the next leg in building the power car (confirmed by a cheat looking at the attachment). The photoetch looks sharp; is it unusable for being the wrong size(s)? The etching material seems to be card stock or some kind of wood, which worries me in terms of painting it in that I will use Tru-Color acrylic, which actually contains a solvent base.I have tracked down metal screens and grills from a source I new nothing about until this morning and the parts appear to be components of Overland brass trains. I'll probably try using those when I get that far.
I am not fully recovered from my road trip affliction but the doc has drugged me up. Check out brass photoetch intended for ship models. There's a lot of it out there, although finding any approaching 1:48 scale might be tough. I have found some in the past for small louvers, screening, etc., in 1:200 scale that worked for various applications. If the stuff you have is made of cardstock, experiment with it a bit. I have found that cardstock may initially warp when first painted, but as it dries it will shrink back into shape. This is especially true with the vellum paper I use in paper models...it crinkles up pretty bad when I first cement them into the model, but then they shrink back into something as tight as a drumhead. Might be worth a quick experiment. Glad to hear you're on the mend. My daughter is a middle-school teacher...seems like every time she stops by, I get sick with some sort of crud.
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Post by af3020 on Mar 2, 2024 18:26:47 GMT
European style Pullmans....well lessee - how about something from JEP?
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Post by healey36 on Mar 2, 2024 20:37:18 GMT
That is one bad@ss looking locomotive, af. Looks one step away from an armored train.
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Post by harborbelt70 on Mar 2, 2024 21:18:10 GMT
That is one bad@ss looking locomotive, af. Looks one step away from an armored train. Speaking only for myself I have always resisted the Marklin 3rail armoured engines but I did come across this one a while back:
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Post by healey36 on Mar 2, 2024 21:23:01 GMT
That is one bad@ss looking locomotive, af. Looks one step away from an armored train. Speaking only for myself I have always resisted the Marklin 3rail armoured engines but I did come across this one a while back:
Looks like something that might have seen action in South Africa during the Boer War.
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Post by harborbelt70 on Mar 2, 2024 21:27:24 GMT
Speaking only for myself I have always resisted the Marklin 3rail armoured engines but I did come across this one a while back:
Looks like something that might have seen action in South Africa during the Boer War. I had not thought about that but you're right. The trains I saw in South Africa at a museum there were all British-built and about a zillion miles away from US prototypes - except that Pullman built most of the passenger cars (in the UK).
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Post by af3020 on Mar 2, 2024 23:12:58 GMT
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Post by firewood on Mar 3, 2024 3:23:45 GMT
I have to say I’m partial to Pullman cars, especially the North American heavyweights and the Euro/Orient Express types. I think Elettren was a cottage industry discovered by Count Coluzzi and his famous Fulgurex model train business. Those cars are gorgeous top of the line metal construction. They make me want to sell everything and buy one or two…maybe three if there’s any money left over 😉. Anyway, back to reality and a side shot (plus end shot) Here’s one of my Williams heavyweights being used to check clearances on my curved bridge. The girder overlays are printed card from Clever Models and look great. Dave
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Post by david1 on Mar 3, 2024 4:05:40 GMT
Back in 1981 I saw this in the new Lionel SD18 in the catalog because it was kinda scale and a great paint scheme. Back then almost every engine was based on another engine. The SD18 was on the gp9 frame so the shell was made to fit the frame. Didn't have the money in 1981 so I never bought it. Well a month or so ago I saw it on TrainZ with the power and dummy in new condition. I decided to live the dream all over again. Dont get me wrong as nice as these units are they are not very good runners. With one motor in the powered unit it just didn't run very well. But if you were ever into MPC at the time you learned that by putting the power unit behind your dummy it ran and pulled ok. Btw this also went for the U36, GP7'S and 9's, U33's and maybe some others. So you see 43 years later I got one of my favorites. Dave Tap on picture for larger picture Attachments:
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Post by seayakbill on Mar 3, 2024 10:05:50 GMT
The Canadian Pacific inspection vehicle by Lionel. Don't see many of these little guys that Lionel released a few years ago. It is amazing that Lionel was able to install TMCC is such a small vehicle. It even has headlights. Bill
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Post by harborbelt70 on Mar 3, 2024 14:06:39 GMT
I have to say I’m partial to Pullman cars, especially the North American heavyweights and the Euro/Orient Express types. I think Elettren was a cottage industry discovered by Count Coluzzi and his famous Fulgurex model train business. Those cars are gorgeous top of the line metal construction. They make me want to sell everything and buy one or two…maybe three if there’s any money left over 😉. You are right, of course, about the Fulgurex connection but for reasons unknown it wasn't a lasting relationship - see first article linked below. I got interested enough in these models to dig around a bit and this included finding the reprint of a 1990s catalog pictured below. It explains in four languages the history of Elettren as a family company founded just after WWII: The white car I have pictured above is at middle left; the #4080 salon car I have recently seen is at bottom right although the page has faded and it looks nothing like as impressive as in person.
As far as I have been able to establish Elettren is still going as a family company making a very limited number of cars each year. I have found out absolutely nothing about current prices except in the secondary market, particularly at train auctions where some of these cars have come up. In that market they cost around the same as one of Scott Mann's GGD special run single cars, which are made of brass and are near the same quality as Elletren. So that means roughly twice the price of today's Lionel scale passenger cars but the difference in quality is so wide that it makes Lionel's current offerings seem like highway robbery.
A few years ago an Anglo-Dutch collector published a detailed history of Elettren up to 2021 if anyone is interested in knowing more and in particular about their Pullman models:
sncf231e.nl/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Elettren.pdf
Interestingly the TCA Western Division also published a shorter chronology: www.tcawestern.org/elettren.htm
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Post by firewood on Mar 3, 2024 17:56:41 GMT
I got interested enough in these models to dig around a bit and this included finding the reprint of a 1990s catalog pictured below. It explains in four languages the history of Elettren as a family company founded just after WWII
Thanks for all the info - very much appreciated! I recognize that sncf231 handle - he has an amazing collection.
Dave
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