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Post by josef on Sept 18, 2023 9:53:47 GMT
This was interesting to watch.
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Post by curtis on Sept 18, 2023 14:56:13 GMT
I watched this on YouTube a while ago and found it quite interesting.
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Post by bobthetrainguy on Sept 18, 2023 15:09:27 GMT
While K-Line probably violated it's settlement agreement, it's statement about not developing copies of Lionel technology was probably true.
Most employees than design technology and electronics often have to sign an agreement with the employer that they forfeit claim to the intellectual property that is related to the business of the company.
So when K-Line employed one of Lionel's engineers as a consultant, he was probably bound by said agreement, and therefore any tech he created was the property of Lionel.
He should have made this agreement known when K-Line employed his services. He may have not even known he signed such an agreement though, as employers often bury new hires with lots of paperwork and don't properly inform them of the rights they are signing away.
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Post by ptc on Sept 18, 2023 15:11:08 GMT
Sad, they made great products that are still sought after.
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Post by josef on Sept 18, 2023 16:15:22 GMT
He should have made this agreement known when K-Line employed his services. He may have not even known he signed such an agreement though, as employers often bury new hires with lots of paperwork and don't properly inform them of the rights they are signing away. Very true. I remember when I was first hired by Carter Wallace, (Rise Shaving Cream, Arrid Deodorant, etc.), I signed an agreement that any technology I developed would be theirs and was given a check for signing. Then when I worked for AMOCO, I had to make sure anything I came up with, wasn't something that would infringe on my previous employer sole holders of patents. In fact I had a list of ideas I came up with and used previously. I remember one idea were patent searches were done for months to make sure we could use it, we did and I got another patent. Sometimes it is a judgment call made by a judge that can destroy even works of arts, but not done today as much as in early years of movies and TV. Back then if you made an entertainment movie similar to one put out by another studio, it could cost millions. Back in early 50s, Cliff Robertson got his start in an early Sci-Fi Saturday morning show. After the first season, Rockhill enterprise took his series to court saying it was similar to their production. Judge saw it that way and ordered all prints destroyed and a hefty fine to be paid to Rockhill. Today, except from some publicity shots, not a single episode exists. So even slight infringements can be costly and close an unsuspecting company down. What I always wondered about is MTH infringing on their controllers being able to control Lionel engines to an extant? Where Lionels can't control MTH.
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Post by trainman9 on Sept 18, 2023 16:55:15 GMT
MTH can control Lionel because Lionel made it an open architecture.
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Post by david1 on Sept 18, 2023 22:43:36 GMT
I don't have alot of nice things To say about Maury. He surly did not know how to talk to people especially his own employee's. Although K-line made some nice stuff I refused to buy any of it because of his attitude. I never bought one K-line item, maybe it was me but I didn't mind K-line going out of business. It was his own fault!!
Dave
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Post by dlagrua on Sept 19, 2023 0:59:11 GMT
I thought that K-Line made some great products, fine detail and low prices but Mr Klein seemingly put the company on a path to self destruction.At this point the line is gone forever. Sanda Kan who owns the K-Line tooling is now owned by Kader, Bachman Williams. Recent lack of O gauge product from that outfit clearly tells how they feel about the O Gauge market.
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Post by chipset35 on Sept 19, 2023 12:29:45 GMT
When I first returned to O-Gauge and was trying to decide between MTH, Lionel and K-Line. My first choice was K-Line, but somehow I ended up going MTH for 11 years before I purchased my first Lionel engine. Somehow, K-Line got lot in the shuffle.
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Post by rockymountaineer on Sept 19, 2023 23:11:42 GMT
I absolutely LOVED K-Line for the simple reason that they often ordered superior products AND broke the pricing model to which Lionel attempted holding hobby enthusiasts hostage. True... MTH helped to keep Lionel somewhat in check. But K-Line was the company that really pulled back the curtain on overseas pricing -- showing hobby lovers how bloated Lionel's pricing had become.
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Post by david1 on Sept 20, 2023 2:51:45 GMT
I absolutely LOVED K-Line for the simple reason that they often ordered superior products AND broke the pricing model to which Lionel attempted holding hobby enthusiasts hostage. True... MTH helped to keep Lionel somewhat in check. But K-Line was the company that really pulled back the curtain on overseas pricing -- showing hobby lovers how bloated Lionel's pricing had become.
I wholly agree what David has said, they kept Lionel in check. Too bad nobody is around to do it again. The absurd pricing Lionel has today will lead them to where K-line is today. David
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Post by VietnamVet1967 on Sept 21, 2023 4:39:46 GMT
Just picked up a 1986 K-Line car hauler from a seller on ETSY. Definitely old school but very cool.  
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