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Post by trainman9 on May 1, 2023 14:45:16 GMT
I have downloaded my receipt from the OGR website showing I paid for the subscription and that I am owed seven issues. I am still awaiting my refund. Is it a lot of money? No, but there is a principle here. I paid for a service to a vendor that the vendor refuses to provide to me and refuses to refund my money. Maybe I missed something but what caused them to ban you. I know you took some pot shots at you now who but that was going on for some time. BTW: He is one of the so called volunteer moderators that AA alluded to. Were you aware that their software has an alert feature whenever a new post is made.
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Post by madockawando on May 2, 2023 21:55:32 GMT
I have downloaded my receipt from the OGR website showing I paid for the subscription and that I am owed seven issues. I am still awaiting my refund. Is it a lot of money? No, but there is a principle here. I paid for a service to a vendor that the vendor refuses to provide to me and refuses to refund my money. Maybe I missed something but what caused them to ban you. I know you took some pot shots at you now who but that was going on for some time. BTW: He is one of the so called volunteer moderators that AA alluded to. Were you aware that their software has an alert feature whenever a new post is made. A new post here? Are you suggesting that OGR gets an alert when someone here posts about them? It occurred to me that the OGR "forum" is NOT a train forum. A forum is a place for the open exchange of ideas and points of view. OGR is most certainly not an open place for the exchange of ideas. Instead it is a collection of train customers who pay for the privilege of being a captive audience for OGR's "forum" sponsors. OGR forum members are not the customer, they are the product that is sold to the train dealers that sponsor OGR. In truth, you don't need OGR to enjoy the hobby. I am on all the train manufacturer email lists and I am on email lists for several dealers and a clubs. So I don't miss out on great deals on uncatalogued trains! Additionally, any train information I need to know can be found here. In other words, being a member of the OGR forum does nothing special or extraordinary for you the hobbyist.
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Post by josef on May 2, 2023 22:50:39 GMT
One thing that all Forums involved in a Hobby, is that when the subject of a new product is brought up, that a honest discussion be allowed on not only the good of the product, but also any faults and problems that come up. Its the one thing that a Forum that is sponsored by the manufacturers is frowned upon and many times deleted so as not to lose the sponsorship of that manufacturer. That is wrong, not being able to call out problems with a product. Be it the shade of the paint, wrong details, or operating problems and warranty problems and lack of parts to repair the product. Its one reason I am also a Leary of ordering BTOs products when there are lack of replacements, or parts to complete warranty, or year or several down the road when replacement parts don't exist for limited BTOs item(s). As to getting KO off OGR, in the notice AA mentioned my negative posts I made here on OGF which he had read and were related to him. I was banned for life, yet I received E Mails for subscriptions to their magazine. I don't know what they do with all the money that comes from members besides subscriptions, their "supporting member" and their "memorial contributor"? Three words to describe OGR and their Forum, "it's a Business" and needs revenue for salaries and they will protect it even when it comes to using phony numbers for the sponsors bt never deleting members that have left, Kicked off, or passed away. They still count you.
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Post by Adam on May 2, 2023 23:37:56 GMT
Walt, I agree with you except "it's a business" is no excuse. In my company we are open to customer feedback and criticism, we embrace it. Smart companies understand that customer input is critical to success. Maybe its a business but not a very good one.
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Post by trainman9 on May 3, 2023 14:00:42 GMT
No, it is OGR that has software that alerts the moderators to any new posts. That’s how they react so quickly.
As I have said before I don’t know how any hobby shop or vendor would want to advertise they are just competing with one another for the same dollars. Also, I don’t see how the print magazine can exist long term since they don’t have a sufficient numbers of subscribers.
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Post by jackson1966 on May 5, 2023 17:34:47 GMT
Also why would anyone want to advertise there when the self proclaimed advertising genius (A.A.) who runs that operation allows banned former members to still read posts on it but are unable to read the banners showing the advertisers. I'm sure most advertisers don't care if someone (has been banned or no) as a potential customer looking for a product that an advertiser might be selling. Really bright move A.A.
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Post by trainman9 on May 5, 2023 18:31:42 GMT
Also why would anyone want to advertise there when the self proclaimed advertising genius (A.A.) who runs that operation allows banned former members to still read posts on it but are unable to read the banners showing the advertisers. I'm sure most advertisers don't care if someone (has been banned or no) as a potential customer looking for a product that an advertiser might be selling. Really bright move A.A. You can read posts. I think you can hit the link for an advertiser. You can no longer do a search.
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Post by ptc2 on May 5, 2023 19:36:08 GMT
In AA's world, you lose too many advertisers, you lose the game. Be interesting to learn what AA's recent tirade cost them. I bet it isn't pretty over there.
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Post by dlagrua on May 6, 2023 8:42:08 GMT
Three words to describe OGR and their Forum, "it's a Business" and needs revenue for salaries and they will protect it even when it comes to using phony numbers for the sponsors bt never deleting members that have left, Kicked off, or passed away. They still count you. You are referring to AA's mailing list and yes no one comes off that list there, even the dead wood. This is because mailing lists sell to interested sellers for several cents per name as advertising. My inbox was getting overloaded with emails from three train retailers that I never dealt with or will never deal with. I finally had to use the blocking feature on my Thunderbird program to delete these messages on receipt. I would not have minded if it was one email a day but it ended up being a constant problem that just took up storage space.
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Post by highvoltage on May 6, 2023 12:51:04 GMT
...allows banned former members to still read posts on it ... Any forum will allow a guest to read what it posted.
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Post by Traindiesel! on May 6, 2023 19:26:33 GMT
Three words to describe OGR and their Forum, "it's a Business" and needs revenue for salaries and they will protect it even when it comes to using phony numbers for the sponsors bt never deleting members that have left, Kicked off, or passed away. They still count you. You are referring to AA's mailing list and yes no one comes off that list there, even the dead wood. This is because mailing lists sell to interested sellers for several cents per name as advertising. My inbox was getting overloaded with emails from three train retailers that I never dealt with or will never deal with. I finally had to use the blocking feature on my Thunderbird program to delete these messages on receipt. I would not have minded if it was one email a day but it ended up being a constant problem that just took up storage space. You don’t need a program to block unwanted email. Just unsubscribe from them through the link provided in the email. They will then stop sending them.
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Post by curtis on May 7, 2023 12:33:48 GMT
TrainDiesel Said "You don’t need a program to block unwanted email. Just unsubscribe from them through the link provided in the email. They will then stop sending them.:
Not always true. Some use that feature to confirm it is an active email address and then sell it.
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Post by highvoltage on May 7, 2023 12:38:30 GMT
TrainDiesel Said "You don’t need a program to block unwanted email. Just unsubscribe from them through the link provided in the email. They will then stop sending them.:
Not always true. Some use that feature to confirm it is an active email address and then sell it.
I was just about to say that. Unsubscribe works if it's a legitimate email. Otherwise spam email needs to be junked and the sender blocked.
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Post by rtraincollector on May 7, 2023 12:44:29 GMT
TrainDiesel Said "You don’t need a program to block unwanted email. Just unsubscribe from them through the link provided in the email. They will then stop sending them.:
Not always true. Some use that feature to confirm it is an active email address and then sell it.
I was just about to say that. Unsubscribe works if it's a legitimate email. Otherwise spam email needs to be junked and the sender blocked. Most emails suppliers have a block system in place, you don't need another program, that probably takes up space, and possibly slow your computer down as it is consistently looking for spam.
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Post by highvoltage on May 7, 2023 15:10:43 GMT
I was just about to say that. Unsubscribe works if it's a legitimate email. Otherwise spam email needs to be junked and the sender blocked. Most emails suppliers have a block system in place, you don't need another program, that probably takes up space, and possibly slow your computer down as it is consistently looking for spam. I haven't added anything. I'm using the spam blocker that's built into my email application.
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