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Post by trainluv on Jun 22, 2021 16:33:13 GMT
I am going to start preparing the top for my table. local clubs have Foam layouts they take on location to fairs and festivals. It seems to be 1-2 inches thick, painted with frame so wires are easy to connect. They lay them on two of the folded tables that are apx 3' x 6'
I believe they are using the Foam Insulation you buy at Lowes etc. What paint do you use oil or latex? Does it take several coats to cover well?
My hope is to paint a flat color (green) and then add roads etc.
The table is 5x9 and they come in 4x8 sheets and will need to use several pieces to fill table.
I plan on using 1"x2" wood under the foam every 8" so I can avoid drilling holes in table for wires. It might be smart to have seam in middle so it could be moved easily by disconnecting section of track. I won't be making anything permanent but if I need to adhere the foam when pushed together does it matter what type of glue? Carpenter friend said to use caulk.
I am open to all suggestions and comments you experts and novices might have.
Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 16:40:06 GMT
Latex paint. Oil paints might dissolve the foam. I use foam adhesive to connect foam to the table or foam to foam. It makes a permanent bond though.
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Post by trainluv on Jun 22, 2021 16:49:37 GMT
Latex paint. Oil paints might dissolve the foam. I use foam adhesive to connect foam to the table or foam to foam. It makes a permanent bond though. IN your video's are you using 1/2 in foam that you painted brown? That's a nice base color.
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Post by ptc on Jun 22, 2021 19:01:14 GMT
Here's another approach. Install, say 1/2" plywood, use tubular track that is inexpensive and readily available and then match it up with Johnson rubber roadbed. You will achieve wonderful sound reduction qualities and you can ditch the Styrofoam. I have used this system since 1996 with excellent results.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 14:49:55 GMT
Latex paint. Oil paints might dissolve the foam. I use foam adhesive to connect foam to the table or foam to foam. It makes a permanent bond though. IN your video's are you using 1/2 in foam that you painted brown? That's a nice base color.
Here are a few pics of current layout. I'm using 2 inch foam. In the pic with the foam cutter you can see on the right side where I've glued 2 pieces of foam together. On the left side I used the adhesive to fill in a seam. I cannot remember the exact name of the brown color. I'll see if I can locate the can tonight. I have 2 coats of paint on the foam. Attachments:
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Post by Country Joe on Jun 23, 2021 16:28:49 GMT
Use water based glues and paints with extruded styrofoam. They will not attack the foam. The foam is easy to cover with acrylic paints. The first time I used it for a layout was about 20 years ago for an N scale layout. I painted areas brown and then covered them with ground foam for grass, gravel, dirt and other surfaces. I used spackle to cover seams when I used a few pieces to make the surface for the trains to run on. These photos give an idea of how it worked out.
I built my O gauge layout in sections that are bolted together. It's not modular. Each section is made with a 1x4 frame and covered with 1" thick styrofoam from either Lowe's or Home Depot. The sections are very strong yet very light. I covered the foam with 7/16" thick carpet padding to reduce running noise, and they covered with padding with Woodland Scenics Vinyl Grass mats. This photo shows the layers.
The FasTrack on my mainline and the RealTrax on the upper loop are not screwed down. The track sections stay together and don't move so securing them isn't necessary though I plan on adding ballast along the sides of the track and the white glue will bond the track to the layout as well as the ballast to the track.
The 2 big advantages of using styrofoam over plywood are weight and ease of construction. Plywood is very heavy and difficult to cut to make custom size pieces. Foam is light and very easy to cut.
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Post by david1 on Jun 23, 2021 17:24:58 GMT
I use 2" foam for my permanent O gauge layout. I use Menards tubular track with foam road bed from Woodland scenics. Beings I run both conventional and command engines the sound is very quiet. It really reduces the noise.
I used white glue (not school glue) to the 2" foam to the top of my layout, I have mianne bench work without any wood on top, just the foam.
It has worked great, very quiet, strong and easy to make holes for wires and scenery.
Dave
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Post by anjdevil2 on Jun 23, 2021 19:18:21 GMT
On the Christmas section, I used white foam board, Liquid Nails Foam compatible glue to 3/8th plywood with Atlas O track.
On the Spring/Summer section, I used Pink 2" foam board and I'm using LeMax grass mats and construction paper on top of that - Liquid Nailed to a Ping Pong Table. 50% Fastrack and Atlas O
On the above, it is resilient enough not to dent and will hold my 180 lbs of weight.
Halloween is 1/2" plywood Liquid Nailed under another 2" pink foam board. This is 3' wide and is something I can work with so the lighter weight construction doesn't need to hold me up. All Fastrack.
I have had great success with pink or white foam board(s).
My next layout at Jenni's will have a wood perimeter and some bracing underneath to hold a 4X8 sheet of foam board and will be lighter and easy to move around.
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Post by trainluv on Jun 24, 2021 1:24:04 GMT
This is incredible information. Glad everyone is sharing I appreciate your time and input.
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Post by firewood on Jun 24, 2021 3:44:00 GMT
I have 2" styrofoam that sits directly on folding tables - wiring is run in conduits screwed to the front of the tables. Some wiring is in/on the layout surface, but none underneath anywhere. Not for everyone, but it works for my physical limitations - I.e. NO crawling or working under the layout FW
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Post by trainluv on Jul 31, 2021 20:54:02 GMT
I finally cut and glued my foam board and painted one coat. on the 5ft side where I connected to the 4x8 sheet there is a slight drop off say 1/8 inch. Total size 5x9 is that something I should feather out dry wall mud or some type of puddy to make it gradual? Or once track is connected (tubular Lionel) it won't matter? Grandson shows up next weekend so the pressure is mounting to have simple layout on new table with my original 397 coal loader operating. (it works)And a few other accessories.
Then I will have him help me build a small tunnel. I was thinking of someway to take chicken wire and mold something to it. Flex Seal might work! Not sure if you can paint it, I wanted grandson to have creative time with painting vs being realistic. Is there a good tool for cutting the foam to make it have textures or cut uniquely? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks
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Post by mixedfreight on Aug 1, 2021 1:06:49 GMT
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, I built a couple of little N-scale dioramas out of 1" thick pink foam insulation just to test the concept based on what I had been reading on some forums. Then, light years later, I set some O-gauge GarGraves track on top of the N-scale diorama track, along with a couple of O-gauge trains, and took a few pictures. Just for kiks and grins, mind you (and to prove a point at the time)............................................ Whadaya think? Note: latex paint and acrylic caulks, and anything else water-based for foam safety.
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Post by trainluv on Aug 1, 2021 23:34:02 GMT
Moving along on quick installation for grandson's visit. Will see how this works and make changes if needed. I might enlarge both tracks turn by one straight piece. Only problem is how close to the edge outside track will be.
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Post by Adam on Aug 1, 2021 23:48:30 GMT
Moving along on quick installation for grandson's visit. Will see how this works and make changes if needed. I might enlarge both tracks turn by one straight piece. Only problem is how close to the edge outside track will be.
Looks like it is coming along nicely. This will be a fun layout! I have my track pretty close to the edge, but I don’t run them very fast. If you plan to hand the controls over to the grandkids you will want to stay away from the edge or install a lip that could prevent a train from taking the invisible tracks to the floor.
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Post by trainluv on Aug 2, 2021 0:10:19 GMT
That is my thought as well and I want him to be able to change cars on the outer loop etc. It was great on the floor for HIM.... My knees are finally back to normal!
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