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Post by Joe Saggese on Jul 3, 2020 15:56:00 GMT
I have a few Pullman passenger cars like shown in the picture. What companies would have pulled them? Cant find any info on that. Thanks..................
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Post by ptc on Jul 3, 2020 17:24:20 GMT
Pullman passenger cars were pulled by a wide variety of railroads.
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Post by josef on Jul 3, 2020 19:16:07 GMT
Just about every railroad. In 1944 with the Department of Justice filed an Anti-Trust complaint against Pullman. Ordered to divest itself of either the manufacturing or from its Sleeping Car operation which they maintained and also staffed. 57 different railroads bought the Pullman Company for 40 million dollars. That shows how many railroad large and small lines had an interest and used Pullmans products. Even Santa Fe CEO bought them to tour their lines. The first 2 Pullman cars were named "Springfield" and "Pioneer", after the town it was built in and Abe's hometown.
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Post by Country Joe on Jul 6, 2020 19:31:00 GMT
Joe, I agree with Brian and Walt, you can run Pullman cars with any railroad that ran passenger trains other than commuters. Pullman cars can be mixed in with company cars. As an example, a PRR train can include PRR and Pullman cars running together.
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Post by harborbelt70 on Jul 6, 2020 20:11:36 GMT
All of the above info accords with what I have learned by researching various passenger cars. Pullman's ability to both own and run passenger cars in its own right effectively ended in 1944, so in the heyday of streamlined cars after that point any described as "Pullman" were not actually part of the former Pullman owner/operator enterprise.
I mention this because there are many O gauge passenger cars made to model prototypes from the post-WW II era that still have "Pullman" name plates on them - mostly small and at the vestibule ends. This is accurate but was simply a nod in the direction of what the traveling public had long associated with sleeping car service and related cars. Pullman would continue to staff these cars for some length of time and built them for sale to the railroads.
The heavyweight car you've photographed above is basically accurate for its time in terms of paint and lettering and cars of this kind would have been mixed in with a railroad's own rolling stock. There are very few scale (21") cars of this kind. In fact I think only GGD ever made them and the ones I have seen were mixed in with railroad-named cars
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Post by JDaddy on Jul 6, 2020 21:35:26 GMT
Walthers made some nice scale Pullman kit cars. They are difficult to build, but they look great done right.
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Post by harborbelt70 on Jul 12, 2020 15:39:42 GMT
I thought I'd add this late P.S. because of some product previews that have come out, which show the absence of Pullman cars like Joe mentioned has been spotted by one manufacturer. Nassau hobbies have got a jump on other dealers by putting many of the latest and yet to be released Lionel 2020 v. 2 catalog items on their website. There's not an illustration yet for every one of them but what caught my eye are Pullman "pool cars" apparently in Pullman's own livery. These are heavyweight cars and the prototypes of the green version would have been interspersed in railway consists. There is also a NYC Pullman version. True to the prototypes, these are Pullman sleepers: Interestingly these are 18" cars. There's also a lot of other O gauge engines/rolling stock that are interesting at first glance but I'm content to wait until Wednesday to see details.
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Post by fabforrest on Jul 13, 2020 23:05:04 GMT
These are cool and a value to anyone modeling passenger ops.
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Post by JDaddy on Jul 14, 2020 1:07:07 GMT
What is sad is that a Pullman palace car was never made available to the O gauge community. A Cathedral car would be great too:
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Post by dennym57 on Jul 14, 2020 7:48:13 GMT
What is sad is that a Pullman palace car was never made available to the O gauge community. A Cathedral car would be great too: Both cars would be great. I wonder how many classic passenger cars are not available?
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Post by Joe Saggese on Jul 14, 2020 23:51:23 GMT
What is sad is that a Pullman palace car was never made available to the O gauge community. A Cathedral car would be great too: Those are beauty's!!!!!
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Post by JDaddy on Jul 15, 2020 0:14:38 GMT
La Belle cars came close to the Pullman Palace but they are a career of a life time to build and are not cheap. These two cars are on my bucket list to build:
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