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Post by josef on May 23, 2020 13:24:40 GMT
What do you do? Buy the new more detailed/featured engines? Keep what you have? Sell older versions? Keep both? Myself, I am satisfied with what I have though I may add details to one if the details are available.
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Post by laz57 on May 23, 2020 13:33:38 GMT
Good thread JOSEF! I am saturated with enough engines to keep me going for a loooong time. But when I do see something I like I either sell a few things I haven’t run in some time or I wait a few years until it comes down in price and get it second hand. Not a big fan of paying top dollar for the latest greatest innovations that come out. I did just that with the Lionel Centipedes I just got. Paid way under the retail price and even though they are N de M livery, it doesn’t matter to me. Just love these behemoths and always wanted to get them, waited and very happy with them.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 13:49:21 GMT
What do you do? Buy the new more detailed engines? Keep what you have? Sell older versions? Keep both? Myself, I am satisfied with what I have though I may add details to one if the details are available.
Generally speaking you are correct about new engines with more detail. In the video with the Lionel Super Chief Passenger cars they are led by Lionel's TMCC Santa Fe F3s' from the 2000-2005. They are stand alone the best detailed F3 engines Lionel ever made. In 2010 when they produced the Legacy Santa Fe F3 I purchased it and was looking forward to a beautiful F3 with Legacy. Quite frankly it was a bust. Poorly detailed and lots of operating problems. I wish they had taken the 2000 series and simply upgraded to Legacy. The same is true of my UP SD70ACe. Great detail sound and operation, you could not get me to buy a newer one. So my answer is that it depends. Operations is my thing, not collecting. If they work soundly and I like them then no upgrade, If they are so so, then yes I'll go for the newer model. I am still running the lionel #60 trolley. Fits the space, works consistently and I have had it for 60 years. No upgrade. LOL.
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Post by stoshu on May 23, 2020 14:06:30 GMT
So my answer is that it depends. Operations is my thing, not collecting. If they work soundly and I like them then no upgrade, If they are so so, then yes I'll go for the newer model. I am still running the lionel #60 trolley. Fits the space, works consistently and I have had it for 60 years. No upgrade. LOL.
I'm with you wood. I'm a runner... I love the features of the newer stuff, the problem is that they are so fragile. I've had to replace 3 boards in the last month. Pre and post war engines just seem to run forever...
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Post by fabforrest on May 23, 2020 15:21:36 GMT
Generally, if I buy a new engine, I sell an old one. I got the Lionel Legacy 765 when it cam out, but upgraded to a newer model with whistle steam effect because I love that feature. I, too, am an operator, so I tend to acquire what enhances the operating characteristics of the layout.
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Post by ptc on May 23, 2020 18:29:02 GMT
I would follow what Laz does, upgrade at the right price. There are bargains to be had.
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Post by harborbelt70 on May 23, 2020 21:32:35 GMT
What do you do? Buy the new more detailed engines? Keep what you have? Sell older versions? Keep both? Myself, I am satisfied with what I have though I may add details to one if the details are available.
Generally speaking you are correct about new engines with more detail. In the video with the Lionel Super Chief Passenger cars they are led by Lionel's TMCC Santa Fe F3s' from the 2000-2005. They are stand alone the best detailed F3 engines Lionel ever made. In 2010 when they produced the Legacy Santa Fe F3 I purchased it and was looking forward to a beautiful F3 with Legacy. Quite frankly it was a bust. Poorly detailed and lots of operating problems. I wish they had taken the 2000 series and simply upgraded to Legacy. I always look at the latest and greatest but it's really more out of curiosity than anything else. The Legacy F3's Wood mentions are are probably the worst recent example of Lionel dropping the ball on a product that had vast appeal. I passed on those because I already had the classic TMCC 6-14588 set from around 2003 and couldn't justify the expense of an update, even to much improved Legacy sounds. It was a lucky escape and I've been very wary ever since. To date I haven't thinned out what I have even though I accept that I should before adding any locos of substantial size. I don't have too many locos, I'm just real short on space!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2020 0:14:26 GMT
We haven’t had much of a problem making a decision with the new better detailed/features engines.. We don’t see much from MTH that is new and we don’t trust Lionel and have been burned too many times,
BUT Scott does some nice products that are often new and exciting, and which we do not have. Plus his delivery time is pretty far out We have not sold anything but we don’t have many duplicates..
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Post by Country Joe on May 24, 2020 20:19:46 GMT
What do you do? Buy the new more detailed/featured engines? Keep what you have? Sell older versions? Keep both? Myself, I am satisfied with what I have though I may add details to one if the details are available.
I keep what I have since most of the newer details and features don't interest me. I don't use smoke so all of those features are of no value to me. The various details are nice when an engine is standing still but when I'm running trains I don't notice them. I enjoy my less detailed engines just as much as my more detailed Imperial engines so I see no reason to by a new engine just because it has more features and/or details.
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Post by JKP on May 24, 2020 23:00:15 GMT
I run just about every engine I have that is either TMCC or Legacy. I won't upgrade for the same engine . I'm still looking for a few more Legacy engines- a switcher and another GP or RS, won't buy anymore TMCC engines, Legacy run and sound much better in my opinion . I am also looking at buying a steam engine. I have some conventional engines and semi scale items that I have been thinking about trying to sell (I really dislike selling stuff-so I usually don't try:| ).
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Post by thebigcrabcake on May 25, 2020 3:11:56 GMT
When a new upgraded, more detailed/featured engine comes out I think it is a great time to get the previous model at a low price. People are selling them to make room for the new one and less people are interested in the old one so it easier to get a good deal on a perfectly good engine that was State of the Art just a short time before.
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Post by jlong on May 25, 2020 14:23:48 GMT
As far as detail is concerned, where Atlas O and Lionel standard O were in the mid 2000's is the benchmark for me. Beyond that, my eyes don't notice unless it's some road specific detail that stands out. What's more important is the paint patina looks right (disputable since prototype paint schemes faded or were not a perfect match over production years). I am satisfied with pre Legacy sounds and command control. Vision Line features would be way overkill for me and I would probably never take the time to figure out how to access them.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 14:38:49 GMT
Most of my fleet is ps3 engines and I have to say the only engine I would like to get is the MTH honoring our veterans sd60e After that I have my fill. Now I will ad rolling stock when able and find a good deal.
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Post by dennym57 on May 25, 2020 15:20:07 GMT
I have several Legacy engines and three or four TMCC engines. I'm not sure how many conventional engines I have. (two are post war) Think that's enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 2:24:16 GMT
If I need a "new" engine, I look for a known quantity...in an engine that usually pre-dates MPC and FunDimensions. F-3? Actual 2343. Berk? 726 or early 736. Anything else, 675 or 225E. Switchers, All-Nation NW2 or road switcher 2349 NP Geep (have 3). I really could care less about manufacturer's control systems, sound, flashing lights. Personal. Opinion.
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