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Post by bfi66 on Feb 17, 2020 5:01:01 GMT
Just to add to the fun....heres a you tube of the actual 1946 catalog with pics of the 2020 set.
-Pete
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Post by thebigcrabcake on Feb 17, 2020 6:17:50 GMT
Just to add to the fun....heres a you tube of the actual 1946 catalog with pics of the 2020 set. -Pete Good find Pete. I think our set is one of the sets on page 7 (I think that was page 7, It was blurry). I'll have to get the cars photographed and posted to know which one but I'm pretty sure you've found our set. Maybe someone has a clear photo of page 7 of the 1946 catalog. That would be very helpful.
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Post by bfi66 on Feb 17, 2020 10:53:40 GMT
A bit more info I gleaned.
-Pete
The 2020 -- along with its O gauge cousin, the 671 -- were the first turbines introduced by Lionel. Originally introduced in 1946, they remained in the line until 1949. Although none of the 2020 turbines have Magnetraction, the sheer weight and reliability of the turbine continues to make it an excellent locomotive for pulling long freight trains.
Features The 2020 turbine locomotive remained in the Lionel family through four production years. However, during its run there were two different versions of that engine. The following is a summary of each:
2020 with Smoke Bulb - This version which was produced only in 1946, uses a special light bulb to heat up the smoke pellets and to convert them to smoke. The easiest way to recognize this version is by looking into the smokestack. If you see a light bulb in the smokestack, it's the Smoke Bulb version. Standard features of this turbine include: three-position E-unit (without a lever protruding from the top of the shell), smoke bulb, nickel-rimmed drive wheels and a single drive rod plus a headlight. The pilot and trailing trucks were always die-cast. The tender was always a 2020W whistling tender.
2020 with Smoke Element - The 2020 with smoke element was introduced in 1947 and is the more common version. This locomotive is basically the same as the earlier version but includes the updated smoke element and E-unit control protruding through the top of the boiler. Standard features of this turbine include: three position E-unit, smoke element and a single drive rod plus a headlight. The pilot and trailing trucks were always die-cast. It always came with a whistling tender, numbered either 2020W or 6020W. The 1947 to 1949 version of the 2020 included several types of drive wheels:
1947 - All drive wheels were nickel-rimmed. 1948 - The first and fourth drive wheels were nickel-rimmed, while the inner two were blackened. 1949 - All drive wheels were blackened.
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Post by thebigcrabcake on Feb 17, 2020 12:07:02 GMT
That’s good information Pete. I’ll get into the smoke unit this afternoon and see where we are. Either 1946 or 1947. We’re going to pinpoint this thing now for sure.
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Post by Adam on Feb 17, 2020 12:46:29 GMT
The 671 that I have had the smoke unit replaced so that I can use fluid. It might be a good upgrade for you as well Emile.
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Post by ptc on Feb 17, 2020 13:38:17 GMT
This is going to be a fun story to follow. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by fabforrest on Feb 17, 2020 18:23:28 GMT
This is my "set." probably got it Christmas 1950. Don't know if it was a set or if my dad just got the pieces. 2020 engine, tender, operating log car, transformer car, bucyrus erie crane car, DL&W work caboose. motor says Lionel Atomic. actually had this converted to TMCC (by Mike Reagan when it was just TrainAmerica)
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Post by bfi66 on Feb 17, 2020 18:52:35 GMT
Emile....believe this was the set you loco was boxed. -Pete Attachments:
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Post by bfi66 on Feb 17, 2020 19:01:28 GMT
I also found this set.....also a possibility... -Pete
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Post by Adam on Feb 17, 2020 19:27:20 GMT
The prompt that resparked my childhood love of trains was a post about 3 years ago in our local Nextdoor group. Someone had a bunch of track that they wanted to give away. This box of track and other items belonged to her dad. It turns out it also included a few switches, most of which have been working flawlessly after a good cleaning and lubrication. The track was very rusty, but I was able to clean it up and some of it is still on my layout. I’m using some of it for my DIY train display wall as well.
I think bringing back to life some of these very well made antique trains is my favorite part of the hobby. These items all tell a story. I’m happy to be their current steward and bring them back to life for continued use as intended.
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Post by Zeke on Feb 17, 2020 22:10:25 GMT
A great find! Looking forward to seeing the cars.
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Post by thebigcrabcake on Feb 18, 2020 0:52:26 GMT
Well done Team! Everyone is doing a great job on this. Here's where we are: Based on the information on the website Volphin found we have a 1946 2020 but based on the information Pete found we have a 1947 2020. Here's the new info from Pete's information: "The easiest way to recognize (the 1946) version is by looking into the smokestack. If you see a light bulb in the smokestack, it's the Smoke Bulb version."
Ours doesn't have a bulb which makes it appear to be a 1947 2020 which had an updated smoke element. So we're still at the crossroads of 1946 and 1947. Maybe by identifying the Set, we can get some clarity. The photo of the second set Pete found looks like a Winner. The unique part of the set is the Crane which is very close to being a Tinplate car. It almost seems out of place. Now we just need some 1946 and/or 1947 catalog confirmation of the Set number. Here are the cars, including 1 that may or may not have been an add-on. What do you think?
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Post by Country Joe on Feb 18, 2020 17:33:31 GMT
Emile, the crane car looks like the one from the 1946 set. The 1947 set included the updated crane as in the set in this photo from the 1947 catalog.
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Post by Country Joe on Feb 18, 2020 17:40:08 GMT
Looking at both sets pulled by a 2020 locomotive I think you have the bottom set minus the operating cattle car. The crane car and DL&W MOW caboose look have been added separately. The crane was probably left over 1946 stock. The big question is, what happened to the stock car and cattle pen?
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Post by thebigcrabcake on Feb 18, 2020 20:41:19 GMT
Emile, the crane car looks like the one from the 1946 set. The 1947 set included the updated crane as in the set in this photo from the 1947 catalog. The catalog photo really helps. Now I'm of the opinion that we have a 1946 set. If we keep digging, I know we'll pin this down. Emile
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