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Post by healey36 on Oct 30, 2024 0:26:29 GMT
I agree, we’ll never know. Bill Edson, a noted historian of all things New England railroads, said there might have been a couple “Anniversary” green Pacifics that the B&A ran in the late 1920’s, but he was skeptical. Remember, the NYC was a really conservative outfit, and the B&A was a wholly-owned subsidiary. Seems unlikely they’d have sanctioned special paint jobs as the Depression started to crank up ( or down depending on your perspective). Then again, the Depression saw the development of the Streamliners, not an inexpensive proposition.
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Post by madockawando on Oct 30, 2024 0:32:12 GMT
No it is called for, especially after he has spent this entire thread trying to convince everyone how bad the paint job is on this locomotive. A locomotive, that I would remind you, has not even been seen in person by people here. And yes, it is suspicious when the guy that will "fix" your locomotive is the same guy who is trying his hardest to convince everyone that is it "broken." How convenient. I love firing this guy up, …..he’s as easy as Sunday morning,……🙄 LoL really? How many posts have you made on this thread? How is your Lionel B&A Berk repainting business coming along?
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Post by madockawando on Oct 30, 2024 0:37:46 GMT
I agree, we’ll never know. Bill Edson, a noted historian of all things New England railroads, said there might have been a couple “Anniversary” green Pacifics that the B&A ran in the late 1920’s, but he was skeptical. Remember, the NYC was a really conservative outfit, and the B&A was a wholly-owned subsidiary. Seems unlikely they’d have sanctioned special paint jobs as the Depression started to crank up ( or down depending on your perspective). Then again, the Depression saw the development of the Streamliners, not an inexpensive proposition. And this is the point. No one knows what they really looked like and most likely, each locomotive looked a bit different. Besides, it looks like the locomotives were delivered to color match the custom run color sketches. As I said before, you guys waited long enough, put the locomotives on the track, run them and have fun. As for the color, I don't care if you paint them purple or bright pink but lets stop pretending that any of you know what the real prototype looked like and lets stop pretending that someone is going to magically paint them in the prototype colors when he doesn't have a clue either.
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Post by runamuckchuck on Oct 30, 2024 0:41:21 GMT
In spite the concerns about historical accuracy, I find the tone of this thread totally disheartening. Disparaging character, questioning motives, characterizing the memories of deceased people as ramblings and all over what in the scheme of human existence?
If this matter is important to you ; fine.
If you think this is yet another effort to trash Lionel; fine.
These are not life or death issues.
Let's express our opinions accordingly; please.
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Post by harmonyards on Oct 30, 2024 0:41:39 GMT
I love firing this guy up, …..he’s as easy as Sunday morning,……🙄 LoL really? How many posts have you made on this thread? How is your Lionel B&A Berk repainting business coming along? It’s just fine, thank you asking!….let’s just agree to disagree, and get back to enjoying the hobby, whatever way you do it, and whatever way I do it,…..there’s plenty of room for both……all of this trolling doesn’t do any good anyways….
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Post by madockawando on Oct 30, 2024 0:41:42 GMT
No it is called for, especially after he has spent this entire thread trying to convince everyone how bad the paint job is on this locomotive. A locomotive, that I would remind you, has not even been seen in person by people here. And yes, it is suspicious when the guy that will "fix" your locomotive is the same guy who is trying his hardest to convince everyone that is it "broken." How convenient. Ok, seems you are in a parallel universe, or something and there’s just no reasoning with you. It’s trains it’s not life altering like to paint good don’t like to paint return it or get it repainted. It’s not rocket science. Paint it what ever color you want. But lets stop bashing Lionel for an incorrect paint job that no one knows what the correct version, if it existed, even looked like.
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Post by healey36 on Oct 30, 2024 1:10:46 GMT
I’m out...
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Post by superwarp1 on Oct 30, 2024 1:25:56 GMT
On the other Berkshires that are arriving. The paint is as advertised from what I’m hearing so that’s good
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Post by JDaddy on Oct 30, 2024 1:40:53 GMT
OMG that is the green they used on the GN 0-6-0 B6sb switcher!!! absolutely hideous! ah ! ah... MY EYES ... ah MY EYES.  It was even more iridescent than the catalog photo shown here. I wanted one... but when I saw it at YORK I was just gutted. Just awful... Just my opinion guys. |
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Post by harmonyards on Oct 30, 2024 10:54:01 GMT
What I can’t understand is where the communication breakdown occurs. Who approves these colors? Not just on this engine, but quite a few lately. I understand they can’t go public with a color sample, because if you ask 10 outsiders, you’ll get 10 different answers. Apparently,, recently, there was a member of another forum that said he had a hand in picking and approving of the Pennsy green used on one of the later runs. For the majority of the responses on that engine it was high praise for getting it right. So clear.y they can do it. I offered my assistance free of charge when I learned the NYC Dreyfuss was “on the table” …..several other NYC modelers also offered their assistance, the ones I know of also said they’d help free of charge. I often joke and ask why can’t one of the overseas employees take a selfie with a sample, but it’s the truth, ……..When MTH announced their Dreyfuss locomotive, some dealers and myself had conversations with them in regards to coloring. Obviously they listened. So Lionel obviously knows how to communicate with someone in the modeling world ( citing the Pennsy example above ) why can’t they do this with every higher profile locomotive? ………..
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Post by lionelllc on Oct 30, 2024 11:37:52 GMT
What I can’t understand is where the communication breakdown occurs. Who approves these colors? On a custom run, the color is approved by the dealer/club offering the item. On a cataloged item, the color is approved by the train company offering the item. In all cases, the factory makes exactly what the approved artwork shows. Stu
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Post by madockawando on Oct 30, 2024 12:13:28 GMT
What I can’t understand is where the communication breakdown occurs. Who approves these colors? On a custom run, the color is approved by the dealer/club offering the item. On a cataloged item, the color is approved by the train company offering the item. In all cases, the factory makes exactly what the approved artwork shows. Stu And in the case of the the custom run B&A Berks, the actual delivered models match the colors as shown in the pre-order art work. I do not understand why some people are upset, especially since the customers don't even have their locomotives yet.
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Post by harmonyards on Oct 30, 2024 12:29:32 GMT
On a custom run, the color is approved by the dealer/club offering the item. On a cataloged item, the color is approved by the train company offering the item. In all cases, the factory makes exactly what the approved artwork shows. Stu And in the case of the the custom run B&A Berks, the actual delivered models match the colors as shown in the pre-order art work. I do not understand why some people are upset, especially since the customers don't even have their locomotives yet. Nobody can understand why you’re always itching for a fight, when it comes to your beloved Lionel,……so for now on, instead of entertaining you, I’ll simply ignore you and let you go pound sand.
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Post by harmonyards on Oct 30, 2024 12:35:15 GMT
What I can’t understand is where the communication breakdown occurs. Who approves these colors? On a custom run, the color is approved by the dealer/club offering the item. On a cataloged item, the color is approved by the train company offering the item. In all cases, the factory makes exactly what the approved artwork shows. Stu Stu, I get artwork approvals, but the end result is the colors are way off, not only on this example. Why not see the color samples on sample cards, or one paint sample for them to preview? When I paint a model for a customer, and it’s some odd color, I send a paint card to the client, ….this lets them see exactly what they’re getting, the test card is sprayed from the very can I plan to paint the model with. In some cases, I’ve had to add toner and a couple back & forths to get where the client desires……it’s part of the process…..
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Post by superwarp1 on Oct 30, 2024 12:44:41 GMT
On a custom run, the color is approved by the dealer/club offering the item. On a cataloged item, the color is approved by the train company offering the item. In all cases, the factory makes exactly what the approved artwork shows. Stu And in the case of the the custom run B&A Berks, the actual delivered models match the colors as shown in the pre-order art work. I do not understand why some people are upset, especially since the customers don't even have their locomotives yet. Well, I'm holding judgement until mine arrives. For the pics Steve sent out, it doesn't look right. As time goes by I beginning to think a good weathering job will be enough to bring down the glow and a total repaint will not be required. I like the black piping, that really stands out and the smoke box is spot on. I'm not returning this engine, Pat and I will be making it right for my tastes. It's one of kind with only 100 or so out there.
One thing I forgot to mention that makes if or when, or if ever these engine were ever painted green, makes the entire argument irrelevant. Working with Steve on this some two plus years now. We all requested what the green should be. Now if the translation was lost between here or China or just ignored is the issue. Lionel has had a real issue with getting the colors correct. There's no denying that.
Now UPS says I'll have it in hand tomorrow. I'll try to get some pics between it, the Kline version and my MTH J2 Hudson. Being Halloween I don't think I'll get a video done until the weekend. Most important is that it's defect free, wouldn't you say. Now play nice, this is not life and death, it's only trains
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