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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 23:13:08 GMT
Chit chatting with Harry just now. I ask him how many J’s he’s gotten. So far 60 plus. So the word is really out and people are taking advantage of Lionel’s offer.
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Post by ptc on Feb 15, 2020 23:17:48 GMT
Another ten days to go before the Lionel deadline. I wonder how many dealers are sitting on them where they have been unable to sell. Harry may get a last minute rush.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 23:19:01 GMT
There should be no time limit on this, just stupid
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 23:33:35 GMT
You know what's stupid? The 48 other people/dealers now complaining by way of sending them to Harry. Where were they when we were complaining? I wasn't the only one that was told only 12 of us complained. The way I look at it Lionel should of taken names and the offer should have only been extended to those that called.
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Post by thebigcrabcake on Feb 16, 2020 0:40:30 GMT
Harry and the J’s is a catchy thread title. Sounds like new lyrics to an Elton John classic.
"...Huh, Huh, Huh, Harry and the J's..."
Emile
P.S. That was a Benny and the Jets reference
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Post by rockymountaineer on Feb 16, 2020 6:55:48 GMT
And one of those is mine!
I purchased a 746, because I thought the old post-war style air-whistle was a cool option for nostalgia's sake. And it also has the modern-day Legacy Railsounds whistle as well. So Mr. Muffin's Trains shipped the "J" directly to Harry, where Harry is working some special magic for me. I ultimately wanted the option to pair up this "J" with my Lionel 18" aluminum passenger cars from several years ago. So in addition to fixing the stripe color, Harry is renumbering the model to 611 AND extending the stripe on the tender. For whatever reason, the 746 tender has a "short stripe". But I much prefer the stripe extended the entire length of the tender. And Harry was happy to do it.
Again, the only "J" in this production run to have the post-war style air-whistle option is #746. So that's why I'm going through these machinations. I'm not a rivet-counter, so it doesn't bother me that my new 611 (i.e., the 746 in disguise) isn't gonna be exact to the prototype 611. These are, after all, models with which to have fun... and lots of it!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 13:30:36 GMT
Gary ask Harry to send you a couple of pictures from his shop. Js lined up and boxes piled high. He has probably developed quite a system by now. Maybe he will compete with China.
Marty it was hard to complain when nobody answered the phone or e-mails. Imagine what it must be like now with Dean gone.
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Post by ptc on Feb 16, 2020 13:53:28 GMT
30 units left Harry's work room on Friday. However, more are coming his way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 14:02:10 GMT
You know what's stupid? The 48 other people/dealers now complaining by way of sending them to Harry. Where were they when we were complaining? I wasn't the only one that was told only 12 of us complained. The way I look at it Lionel should of taken names and the offer should have only been extended to those that called. Marty, I understand where you are coming from but I have to disagree. This "mistake" has really gotten under your skin. I'm sure there are customers who feel exactly as you do or those who just don't care anymore after seeing and dealing with issue after issue from Lionel and have moved on to other model train manufacturers.Yeah, I get pissed off too. After that dissipates I look for a solution if I can and if I come up with one....great. If not, well I will move on to something else. I am glad that Lionel is offering a fix for these J's. As least this is a step in the right direction and if the customer wants something done with their J the opportunity is their unlike the fiasco with the 21" U.P. passenger cars they shipped to the dealers. Total SHITE!! As for the stripe color we will leave ours as is. My reason for this is I am not a fan of decals. I am also fortunate to know people who would silk screen the stripe if I wanted it done. Now I realize that painting is not for everyone so sending them to H.H. is a great option. We all know that Harry will do his absolute best to enhance these locos. RM Dave posted about the J having a red or raspberry colored stripe at one time. Good enough for me. I can make it work. For passenger cars I can air brush those if need be. Way back when those cars were not to colorful to begin with. Brown, green, or grey. It is not viable for us to visit a lot of the dealers that we do business with or spend a lot of time in their stores. I am just very grateful that one of our new OGF members was at Imperial train Co. that day and posted about the sale or I would not have a #611 J. Regards, Gary.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 15:07:20 GMT
The folks who didn’t complain we’re complacent now they ride on the coat tails that did. Period. As far as not getting through to Lionel, bull. I called and got the message to leave my number and I did. Call back in a day.
I also mentioned at fall York right after they were released. The forums were quiet. We, the “complainers”. were told by reviewers that the color is subjective and those that complained will complain about anything. It was hard to take those guys seriously to begin with because it’s all sunshine and lollipops with their reviews because they’ll ruffle the hand that feeds them. Can’t wait for the review of the J. I’m sure we’ll be told about the subjective color and I’ll be there to tell them they are full of it.
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Post by rockymountaineer on Feb 16, 2020 20:09:43 GMT
30 units left Harry's work room on Friday. However, more are coming his way. If I were a dealer sitting on an inventory of these (whether that number is 1 or 21), I'd send them to Harry on Lionel's dime NOW. This way, they're in Harry's hands before the deadline. And then when those units come back to the store and are sold to a consumer, the stripe color is already correct... and some units could even be optionally offered as weathered too. Just sayin'....
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Post by rockymountaineer on Feb 16, 2020 20:19:26 GMT
.... It was hard to take those guys seriously to begin with because it’s all sunshine and lollipops with their reviews because they’ll ruffle the hand that feeds them. .... Marty, I saw a few of those comments and couldn't stop shaking my head. It's like these guys are completely clueless as to how little credibility they bring to the table when they talk like that. The usual suspects actually having the audacity to say the J's post-war red stripe across all models was all just a figment of peeps complaining for the sake of complaining. Really??? They should just come right out and say what happened objectively: the factory used the correct post-war red color for #746, but then ALSO used that same color INCORRECTLY for the 600-series units as well. That's all there is to say. Don't be telling buyers the "problem" is all in their heads, and colors are subjective! What a way to blow one's own credibility among peers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 20:40:26 GMT
One dealer has taken all of their J's to Harry to have the stripe changed and also to be weathered as well. If I were to have done this I would have had H.H. apply a light weathering coat to it as well. The pics Brian posted of the "dusting" coat Harry applied were fantastic. Colors subjective? Maybe if there is no existing colors available to use, sure. Guess the #611, N&W J that was at Strasburg last year was a figment of everyone's imagination.
Gary.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 21:08:18 GMT
30 units left Harry's work room on Friday. However, more are coming his way. If I were a dealer sitting on an inventory of these (whether that number is 1 or 21), I'd send them to Harry on Lionel's dime NOW. This way, they're in Harry's hands before the deadline. And then when those units come back to the store and are sold to a consumer, the stripe color is already correct... and some units could even be optionally offered as weathered too. Just sayin'.... If I was a dealer hanging onto these I’d be embarrassed that I didn’t speak up. These guys are as big of the problem as the folks who didn’t call or contact Lionel. They shouldn’t get the fix on anyone’s dime but their own for keeping quiet. Its BS now they want to get them fixed when they were perfectly happy selling it to some unsuspecting customers.
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Post by rockymountaineer on Feb 16, 2020 23:47:40 GMT
If I were a dealer sitting on an inventory of these (whether that number is 1 or 21), I'd send them to Harry on Lionel's dime NOW. This way, they're in Harry's hands before the deadline. And then when those units come back to the store and are sold to a consumer, the stripe color is already correct... and some units could even be optionally offered as weathered too. Just sayin'.... If I was a dealer hanging onto these I’d be embarrassed that I didn’t speak up. These guys are as big of the problem as the folks who didn’t call or contact Lionel. They shouldn’t get the fix on anyone’s dime but their own for keeping quiet. Its BS now they want to get them fixed when they were perfectly happy selling it to some unsuspecting customers. Dealers have it rough these days, but they need to take a tough stand when faulty products are delivered. Personally, I wouldn't accept them... and I'd let the chips fall where they may with the importer or distributor. Late last year, I was in the market for MTH's Amtrak transition cars. My first line of search was the MTH Product Locator. One dealer down south was the only search hit. So I called the store and spoke to the owner and explained what I was looking for -- even gave him a couple of SKU's. And he even said... "Oh, those are the transition cars". So he KNEW what I wanted and expected. Two days later when the cars arrived, they weren't "transition" cars at all -- both ends had high-level vestibules!!! When I called him back, he gave me this song-and-dance that MTH's factory made them wrong. To which I replied, "Why didn't you tell me those were factory errors when I ordered them?" And he had the audacity to tell me he thought I knew they were made wrong!!! Then he was complaining he'd be stuck with them if I returned them. I told him he should have shipped them back to MTH as soon as he realized they were made incorrectly. When I spoke with MTH, I was told dealers had the opportunity to return them... and MTH subsequently made another production run where the cars were made correctly. I then discovered that Imperial Trains in western PA had the correct ones, and Regis took care of me quite well. Meanwhile I returned the first set of cars via Fed-Ex for tracking purposes, and wound up needing to dispute the charge because the dealer received my return but never processed the credit. When I called him BEFORE disputing the charges, he told me he was very busy due to the Christmas Holidays but would process the credit in a couple of days. 3 weeks later? No credit... nada thing... zilch. So at that point I just worked with the credit card company. Bottom line... WE are our own best advocate... and sometimes our own worst enemy as well. We can't assume all dealers are gonna do the right thing all the time. Some will -- but definitely not all of them. As buyers, we just have to take a tough stand... and not accept products that aren't made the way they're illustrated in the catalog(s). At least in this case, Lionel provided a solution. Had they not, then anyone who accepted these locomotives without "complaining" is really encouraging more of this nonsense to occur again and again. As it is, Lionel is producing far too many SKU's in one calendar year. So chances are pretty good that a new set of issues will surface this year -- because nobody is driving the production process. We just don't know what those "new" issues will be yet. At least THIS time, most of us have a happy ending to their "J" story.
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